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11/17/2010 11:50:37 PM
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Halo 2: The game it should have been (beta).
So I was bored one day, looking up stuff about Halo 2 and the e3 trailer, and suddenly I found a lot of stuff about halo 2 before it came out:
First off, here is the e3 trailer:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb9o-Ce_hYM[/url]
All the h2x fanboys have seen this already. You know, what could have been blah blah.
Now, for something you didn't expect:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LMZgz_fVYs&feature=fvw[/url]
Check it out: MLG dudes playing a Halo 2 Beta. Notice the Halo 1 HUD, proof the game was based off the Halo 1 engine. This isn't unusual in game development, did you know that Black Ops is really based off ID tech 3?
Another public announcement:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHrpjRnvl10&feature=related[/url]
Later on, there is a XBL beta running on The XBL test network AKA Parternet (as it is called on the 360). Bungie has this offical interview from gamespot:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B31J7GkvOvw&feature=related[/url]
EDIT: Turns out, it was a pressed disc given to reviewers, and most ms employees. It worked on normal unmodded xboxes, and was the beta in the other videos below. Of course, there were other betas on Partnernet, but the most common beta (and the one floating around) is the Private beta.
And another bungie interview:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9XMqg4W9-o&feature=related[/url]
Note the halo 1 HUD again and another type of HUD, you will see that in the next video.
While looking for other videos of halo 2, I found these videos too. I thought they were fake at first, but now comparing these with the other videos, these are real.
First off, here is the full main menu:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SAX6tuQofU&feature=related[/url]
Note the Xbox 1 dash style ZOOM effect, and placeholders for scrapped features.
The mongoose:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV3_p6PIFNQ&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhGsIBZ0KWk&feature=related[/url]
The second one has offical narration on why it was removed.
Now for more beta menu goodness:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ug1ZnyY2EA&feature=related[/url]
And now for some scrapped crap in another version:
Single Shot BR with Different Rocket Launcher: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Vzn0WLUdA&feature=related[/url]
Another one:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atCsy1nVbb8&feature=related[/url]
Ghost getting killed by a weird flamethrower:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sSVh0bPq2c&NR=1[/url]
And now for one last thing: Semi Destructable Enviroments:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx9MSyX6Tr8&NR=1[/url]
That's all I could find.
EDIT: One more thing:
This is a very prototype falcon, the model isn't even finished:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgh0FHnPOo&NR=1[/url]
1-29-10 edit: New video of a hacked up beta.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C5zzPO9y-4[/url]
Wonder why he didn't enable system link. And private servers might be possible, but only 2 or 3 people really give a crap about it.
Beta Zanzi:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yen1xkXMBfg[/url]
Beta Waterworks
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpusDCjIn6o[/url]
Beta Midship
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Uik2nJlYQ[/url]
Info about the beta in the youtube videos:
[url]http://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/index.php?title=Halo_2:Closed_multiplayer_beta[/url]
EDIT: 2-4-11
More beta footage found on gametrailers:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxUvM-VRZ5c[/url]
LameCheat also has the beta...and being the elitest he is, he is not releasing it. Heres a video of the main menu though:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlI4o-ckpM[/url]
Unlike the other person, he can't fake the connection. LOL!
EDIT: 8/18/11
Found more vids.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Sg246Wlg8]Some moongoose footage and alt weapon sounds.[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmpfQvIscM4[/url]Some glitches in viewmodels[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyEK7vJVzNY]An early attempt at cracking the beta for the above vids[/url]
EDIT: 10-20-11
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLRvro0BCf4]Apparently it's been cracked and dug into, something tells me it got leakedz too....[/url]
2-6-12 UPDATE:
Oh yay, more footage:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oayV95WuAU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL]The moongoose, useless because it lacks the passenger seat[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ0E4PltnXs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL]A demo of Shared.Map[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73dOp8VJXl8]The full main menu. Hidden options, headhunter + invasion, plus it's limited.[/url]
4/12/12
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uhPPi7aa5g]Hey look, more footage of that beta. Now with more debug info and more weapon demos. :3[/url]
5/18/12
[url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/better-than-halo-the-making-of-halo-2-article]An interview with bungie. It also explains why the E3 demo was canned.[/url]
[Edited on 05.18.2012 11:56 AM PDT]
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Sorry about that last part I was on my iPod anyway just read the bit about the mongoose I wrote. Also sear halo 2 levels cut content. I'm sure you'll find it interesting
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This thread deserves recognition.
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Thanks man. I will have not save this thread and give it a look at when I have a little more time to spare.
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Added new video. Someone got a beta copy on a used debug box, and uploaded it to youtube. [Edited on 01.29.2011 7:42 AM PST]
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The stuff Bungie couldn't finish because of Microsoft Game Studios.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SHOCKER1000 The stuff Bungie couldn't finish because of Microsoft Game Studios.[/quote] And the rushed release date. There is a lot of stuff bungie didn't tell us, but thanks to the fact they made a signed private beta that runs on unmodded xboxes, some modders have it.
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Well, I'm spending a great H2 weekend thanks to JacobGRocks. My grandson and one of his friends are watching the vids you posted one by one (lot of vids but worth it). I only wish you had numbered the vids so it would be easier to discuss individual vids. 1. E3 is always great but if we had played that level for 6 years and had been denied the released Metropolis, my view might be different today. I mean, if we were shown the Scarab scenes with the E3 cinematic qualities we might still be drooling. I just don't know. Also, it seemed the dual SMG's did not have much recoil. So far this is one of the best threads I've ever seen.
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qSsXs-M2j8[/url] This has pictures of things left out of all halo series. Thought it was pretty neat.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cheeto666 This. There originally was no Halo 3. Halo 2 was going to have Halo 3 in it. But Microsoft wanted Halo 3 to be the launch game for the 360, so they told them to cut the game in half and ship what they had for Halo 2. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 @ Halo 2 mourners. You think Microsoft shutting down Halo 2 was bad? Take a look at how Halo 2 should've been, until Microsoft stepped in with their Golden Shoes, demanding Bungie for a quick and rushed release.[/quote][/quote] Not true. Bungie had a strict deadline that they knew about almost from the start, the last holiday season (2004) for the Xbox. The next holiday season the 360 was coming out so why bother with a flagship game on an old console at that point. Simply put Bungie was a victim of their own success and became too ambitious with halo 2 so had to keep hacking away features to make the deadline. This is why textures seem to have a lot of pop in halo 2 because there wasn't much time to refine it. This is backed up by one of the many bungie docs, so don't go blaming MS. It has nothing to do with RAM either. [Edited on 01.30.2011 12:51 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blizzard707 Not true. Bungie had a strict deadline that they knew about almost from the start, the last holiday season (2004) for the Xbox. The next holiday season the 360 was coming out so why bother with a flagship game on an old console at that point. Simply put Bungie was a victim of their own success and became too ambitious with halo 2 so had to keep hacking away features to make the deadline. This is why textures seem to have a lot of pop in halo 2 because there wasn't much time to refine it. This is backed up by one of the many bungie docs, so don't go blaming MS. It has nothing to do with RAM either.[/quote]ok, boring.
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If they had canned the xbox 1 version, it would have been much better on the 360. Oh wait, they made an improved 360 version with scrapped matirel. It's called Halo 3!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks Added new video. Someone got a beta copy on a used debug box, and uploaded it to youtube. [/quote] Is it possible to find that beta?
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If you are at an elitest forum long enough, and have an XDK, someone might send it to you. But they said it's not that great in countless posts. If you want, you can find a copy of the MP beta, and dump it and upload it somewhere. Everyone at MS got it, so there are copies floating around. [url=http://img264.imageshack.us/f/41546525464c6769f87bo.jpg/]This is what it looks like.[/url] It's unique, as it runs on a retail xbox, not a softmod or XDK (but you do need to mod it though to play offline) Also, note the ring in the center, that proves it's legit. [Edited on 02.01.2011 6:03 AM PST]
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Bear in mind all you critics Halo 2 was the best Halo and probably always will be. Halo Reach is a good improvement from Halo 3. Ive played Halo 2 so much Ive pretty much memorised every single dialog of the game, start to finish... After seeing these video I dont have any regrets buying Halo 2, I like the way the game is. Also check out Halopedia apparently 3 levels were cut from the game as well as a number of species... At least the music wasnt rushed...:)
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They took the cuts, and made h3 out of them.
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Ah, look at this. A thread from Jacob when he actually gave a -blam!- about Halo 2. Interesting. This must of been a time when I actually had some respect for you. Funny how things change so suddenly. [Edited on 02.01.2011 9:29 PM PST]
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Meh, I don't really care about all that stuff. I absolutely love Halo 2, and I'm not going to get sad over things that were cut and just because it could have been different. Every game gets great things cut from it anyway.
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Thanks for the vids man.
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Good videos man.
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[url=http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2k4-halo-2/276]E3 2004 Halo 2 Zanzibar public demonstration gameplay footage. Please add this to the OP.[/url] Note the italicised fonts, Halo 1 announcer/sounds; indicating the Halo 1 engine. Thanks for the links, OP. I haven't been active in months. It's good to be back, anyway. How are you all doing?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ghost Unknown [url=http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2k4-halo-2/276]E3 2004 Halo 2 Zanzibar public demonstration gameplay footage. Please add this to the OP.[/url] Note the italicised fonts, Halo 1 announcer/sounds; indicating the Halo 1 engine. Thanks for the links, OP. I haven't been active in months. It's good to be back, anyway. How are you all doing?[/quote]I'm sorry, but, a game's engine shouldn't be indicated by it having the same announcer audio files, same fonts, and similar HUD. The Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 engines were completely different from the beginning.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dr Syx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ghost Unknown [url=http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2k4-halo-2/276]E3 2004 Halo 2 Zanzibar public demonstration gameplay footage. Please add this to the OP.[/url] Note the italicised fonts, Halo 1 announcer/sounds; indicating the Halo 1 engine. Thanks for the links, OP. I haven't been active in months. It's good to be back, anyway. How are you all doing?[/quote]I'm sorry, but, a game's engine shouldn't be indicated by it having the same announcer audio files, same fonts, and similar HUD. The Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 engines were completely different from the beginning.[/quote] Truth is, it's a modified engine. You are being misled by someone. Halo uses the same engine game after game, just modified. Halo Reach ran on the h3 engine, and Halo 2 ran on the Halo 1 engine. They just added havok, that's all. They reused assets from h1 due to the same engine. Also, I'm uploading the h2 video to my channel. It will be in the OP too.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks Truth is, it's a modified engine. You are being misled by someone. Halo uses the same engine game after game, just modified. Halo Reach ran on the h3 engine, and Halo 2 ran on the Halo 1 engine. They just added havok, that's all. They reused assets from h1 due to the same engine. Also, I'm uploading the h2 video to my channel. It will be in the OP too. [/quote]This is true, Halo 2 was considered an update to Halo 1. [Edited on 02.04.2011 12:35 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks Truth is, it's a modified engine. You are being misled by someone. Halo uses the same engine game after game, just modified. Halo Reach ran on the h3 engine, and Halo 2 ran on the Halo 1 engine. They just added havok, that's all. They reused assets from h1 due to the same engine. Also, I'm uploading the h2 video to my channel. It will be in the OP too. [/quote]This is true, Halo 2 was considered an update to Halo 1.[/quote] Which is pretty much what h2 was. A rehash with [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7KE9xUVTk]free auto aim, [/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMSYoPC5vyE&feature=related]bad online[/url] Halo 2 was made worse in development by MLG kids (read: Walshy and friends), 5 yr olds, and lots of rushing. [url=http://lparchive.org/Sonic-The-Hedgehog-2006/]Rushing kills games. [/url] [Edited on 02.04.2011 1:39 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks Truth is, it's a modified engine. You are being misled by someone. Halo uses the same engine game after game, just modified. Halo Reach ran on the h3 engine, and Halo 2 ran on the Halo 1 engine. They just added havok, that's all. They reused assets from h1 due to the same engine. Also, I'm uploading the h2 video to my channel. It will be in the OP too. [/quote]This is true, Halo 2 was considered an update to Halo 1.[/quote] Which is pretty much what h2 was. A rehash with [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7KE9xUVTk]free auto aim, [/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMSYoPC5vyE&feature=related]bad online[/url] Halo 2 was made worse in development by MLG kids (read: Walshy and friends), 5 yr olds, and lots of rushing. [url=http://lparchive.org/Sonic-The-Hedgehog-2006/]Rushing kills games. [/url] [/quote]Yeah, you're right, Halo 2 is the greatest game of all time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grumpy1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shock120 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JacobGRocks Truth is, it's a modified engine. You are being misled by someone. Halo uses the same engine game after game, just modified. Halo Reach ran on the h3 engine, and Halo 2 ran on the Halo 1 engine. They just added havok, that's all. They reused assets from h1 due to the same engine. Also, I'm uploading the h2 video to my channel. It will be in the OP too. [/quote]This is true, Halo 2 was considered an update to Halo 1.[/quote] Which is pretty much what h2 was. A rehash with [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7KE9xUVTk]free auto aim, [/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMSYoPC5vyE&feature=related]bad online[/url] Halo 2 was made worse in development by MLG kids (read: Walshy and friends), 5 yr olds, and lots of rushing. [url=http://lparchive.org/Sonic-The-Hedgehog-2006/]Rushing kills games. [/url] [/quote]Yeah, you're right, Halo 2 is the greatest game of all time if you love to smoke marijuana.[/quote] Fixd for ya. Also, to a certain someone, nice try attempting to get me banned
