I don't necessarily think static rolls are a problem, the problem is their isn't enough look and most of the perks on the static rolls suck. Subclass customization would be great. Destiny 1 had weapon and subclass tree builds. Destiny 2 has weapons that shoot bullets.

I really don't get why random rolls are being requested. It's fake replay value and it was frustrating during d1. Running a strike over and over, getting the same crap to drop over and over, but having to keep running the content because said gun doesn't have a good roll, let alone the best. There are plenty of ways they can make the game more fun to play, and give players reasons to play without screwing it up with random rolls. Adding random rolls back will do absolutely nothing good for the game.

Just gonna 'Plug' this in here.... Made this poll/post a while back, under ☆Best of Both Rolls☆ just thought I would insert it here as well, hopefully it gets seen by someone with influence or picks up traction... Trying to look at this like the Vex, Past&Present&Future. No one system is perfect but perhaps we can reach one that considers everyones opinion. ☆How about both? Static and Random Rolls? 1st let us try to UNDERSTAND the position of both sides. ☆ Static Rollers want a legit weapon that does what it says it does. The 'Get what you pay for' mentality. I can empathize, some want to know what they are going to get, and not want to spend endless hours chasing a gun that RNG might not drop. Better Devils, Uriels Gift, Last Hope, Nameless have all made a Name for themselves (yup, intended) because of what they do. Every1 knows what to expect, its power, limitations and capabilites. That is Fair, these are trusted to do what the Devs intended. ☆However over time, once these weapons are obtained (by majority), that sense of discovery, urge to do an activity, and loot at the end of the tunnel looses its flair. Moreover the only difference between my Uriels and yours is the Shader&Masterwork trait. Bottom line Diversity and Variety get the short end right? They suffer currently. The sandbox becomes stale because:what is good is good, and what is bad is essentially bad. There is no mystery or hidden meta. Just look at Trails report for evidence. Fighting Calus? Use the Meta. Playing Trails? Use the Meta. No sense of discovery or 'ahh' moments. ☆Random Rollers want excitement, the chase of the unknown, and don't mind the endless hours of grinding because: they will play the content anyway until the next batch of goodies drops. So give us something to chase. Through all those hours of playing, every gun may not be G-roll status, but some hidden gems may be found in the mire, and at best be FUN to use. ☆ Over the course of time some of the weapons obtained have their own unique sense of flavor. You bond with it knowing that maybe your arsenal is truly original. A Nightshade with full-auto trigger system instead of kill clip, Better Devils with Triple tap, Jiangshi with Rampage, Mannanan with third eye, Uriels gift with Candle sight. Just examples of how diverse and expanded the sandbox meta COULD be. Raid loadouts would differ, crucible builds would be more creative and less restrictive. The longevity between seasons would increase, new stratigies could be fabricated, and the skill cieling would rise. More loot for "Endgame Chasers". ☆ Even in D1 there was a meta with Random Rolls. Clever Dragon, Matador, And almost every Palindrome was good, at least viable. However now in D2 the problem with all Static Rolls is that there literally is no competition or challenger to a static meta. New guns added at the moment get compared to whats good now and if it falls short it will collect dust in the vault. With a Hybrid System in place Guardians have the CHOICE what to chase & would add the distinct personality and uniqueness to their builds, not to mention overall sandbox. Sense of Random Mystery for the Endgame Chasers. Consitiency for the Causal. Best of both Rolls. ☆ Static Rolls drop in these events: Normal Nightfall, Normal raid, Strikes, Non-Flashpoint Public Events, Quickplay, Weekly vendor resets. Rahool the Fool ☆Random Rolls Drop in these events: Prestige Nightfall&Raid, Flashpoint Public Events, Lost Sectors, Heroic Adventures and Strikes, Competitive Crucible(encourage less rage quiting) and Tyra Khan(she needs some love) ☆Additionally they could do Arms day-Choose an archetype of weapon(H.C., Auto rifle, smg) on Arms day he has both the static and Random roll that way if you need it you can aquire it, and if you have it you might get that G-roll. Also Planet vendors should Drop both rolls every engram qnd offer both on reset. The choice. ☆This may not please everyone in all camps, but i do feel it would please majority no matter your preference. Got only a few hours to grind? Chase that static Auto rifle you missing. Got the whole day off with nothing to do? Create a stream, load up prestige Arms Dealer chasing that random roll for hours on end. Bottom line i think the CHOICE of the chase is just as important. Give us the choice then leave the Decision to us. ☆Id love to hear more from other Guardians, we alone did not make this community but together we can build like the last city, feel free to express and discuss, i am but one Guardian, but all our opinions matter. ☆p.s. thanks Bungie for making a Destiny we can share.

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Your idea for leveling weapons to unlock mod slots is very similar to how Warframe does it I do like that system but I have zero faith that bungie will make really interesting and useful mods for fear of balance im almost sure that mods 2.0 will be an utter disappointment

Skill tree changes, absolutely. Random rolls, no way. Here is why I feel this way (my thoughts/opinions which we know are like assholes, because they all stink.) You have a vast gap of skill in playing the game, specifically pvp. So you find a crappy pvp player like myself and give them a nameless midnight and Uriel’s gift, and they play ok. They run into a good player with the same loadout, they get their ass kicked. They run into a great player and it is a slaughterhouse, which is how it should be. You introduce random rolls, and the crappy players still are crappy, even with good rolls. But the better players then become unstoppable to each other and the game stops being a competition of who is better and becomes who has the better gun. With a great clever dragon, I was not beating any streamers. But top players without the rolls were losing to skilled players with the rolls. It’s crap. If the guns were better designed with more variety instead of more skins, no one would bitch. And let’s face it. Random rolls are only for pvp. Yes you could roll a monster pve gun, but who really cared? Every gun works well enough for pve. The enemies aren’t that tough.

Jesus stacked that last one but no. Still think it just needs an in depth mod system: weapon archetypes (base no added perks) then mod the living shit out of it the way you want. I am still waiting on a classless system. I don't want my character to just be bound by one class...i have seen my hunter float like a warlock dammit...only thing that should define the guardian is what class item it is wearing. Other than that, I'm part ninja, part warlock, part titan. I would still gladly make 3 characters. Each dlc could add new ways of obtaining new skill sets.

1:Random rolls 2:proper subclasses with customization 3:more unique exotics 4:proper difficulty getting exotics (no hand outs!) These 4 things will give me a reason to return... I won’t binge the game like I did D1 but I’d give me a reason to return

The skill trees in d1 were shallow. It's just that d2 is so bad that people think d1 had decent skill trees

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