What I find funny is that Bungie is more likely to respond to people on a 3rd party service, Reddit, than they are on their own forums.

Deej?

The point is that you don't know who the majority is either. I could say most people who are unsatisfied just leave without a second thought just as easily as you say most people who like it don't talk about it. The people here are the ones that care. That's the real minority.

Just posting D2 is trash, without a supporting argument, can be skipped over easily enough. However, there are valid negative viewpoints being made here. Don't disregard it all as trash talk. There's no denying that this game has devolved since the vanilla drop of D1. There's a lot of concern and dismay among gamers, based on the beta and the once again seemingly negative approach leading into the D2 drop. Let the players speak. If it's too salty, oh well. It's pretty apparent that Bungle is too arrogant to listen and make meaningful changes anyway. I, for one, find the majority of the posts interesting. There are some excellent points and suggestions, that just fall on deaf ears...Hear that LS.? No, I didn't so.

How else do you suggest players voice their opinions and concerns about a game they payed for? Yes, I agree... most players avoid these forums, however, most that come here are truly a representation of the community. When players were posting that Thorn was op... just because a million people never came here to post that, doesn't mean Thorn wasn't op. Stop thinking like a slice of the pie doesn't taste like the whole pie.

While I would agree with much of what you say, there is a part that shows that you (most likely) strongly lean towards a certain direction, and that is where I would say it more impartial. You stated: [quote]Because most forum users don't like people having opinions that aren't "Destiny is trash."[/quote] I would say something more in the line of: "Because most forum users don't like people having opinions that don't match their own." Everyone tends to think in a relatively narrow and single-minded fashion which generally keeps them from initially accepting thinking of other perspectives. When you think of something, you are most likely very clear on why your perspective is justified because you came to your conclusion and opinion based on a set of reasons which is logical and makes perfect sense to you This would lead you to be unable to understand opinion A and thus, be unable to respect it. For instance, if you present your friend with a set of facts that you would think would clinch your argument. And yet, while the facts you present clearly contradict your friend's position, you discover that presenting your friend with these facts does nothing to correct his or her false or unsubstantiated belief. In fact, your friend might even become more emboldened in his or her belief after being exposed to corrective information. A group of Dartmouth researchers have studied the problem of the so-called "backfire effect," which is defined as the effect in which "corrections actually increase mis-perceptions among the group in question." People typically receive information from what they might believe as an “objective” news report pitting two sides of an argument against each other, which is significantly more ambiguous than receiving a correct answer from an omniscient source. In such cases, citizens are likely to resist or reject arguments and evidence contradicting their opinions – a view that is consistent with a wide array of research.

It's been proven the reddit destiny community is more important to Bungie than this actual website's forum. A lot of information at the height of Destiny's popularity was made on reddit and directed at redditors in particular, in fact it got to the point where people were just reposting reddit threads on here. I expect the same treatment with D2 moving forward, for obvious reasons.

[quote]It's funny to see all of these hate posts on these forums that say "No one likes Destiny" (in more or less words) like it's a proven fact or has a poll that's completely one-sided "proving" that people don't like something about the game(s) . . . My point is, what the forums say are not a good indication of fans' opinions of Destiny because the majority of satisfied customers don't bother with them. If it were, there wouldn't be millions of people who bought Destiny 1, and there wouldn't be tens of thousands of preorders for Destiny.[/quote] Oh FFS, you are trying to call people out by doing the exact same thing you're trying to call them out for! You complain that they [b][u]assume[/u][/b] most people don't like the game. Then you turn around and [b][u]assume[/u][/b] most people do and are "satisfied customers." I think it's safe to say 4 things at this point: 1. There are plenty of people who are on these forums who are happy with Destiny and plenty who are not. 2. There are plenty of people who are [b][u]not[/u][/b] on these forums who are happy with Destiny and plenty who are not. 3. There is no causal relationship between liking/disliking destiny and forum participation. Further, it is quite easy to purchase a game then find you don't like it. Also, it is equally easy to preorder a game hoping to like it, whether you enjoy the current iteration of the game or not. 4. You have no concept of logic. But, thanks for the entertainment. I enjoyed seeing this almost as much as watching videos of fat people falling down.

OP is right. Also, Since House of Wolves dlc I think 90% of the posts I've seen on the forums are from people who have quit destiny but for some reason still read/post in the forums daily of a game they don't play anymore . #Logic

When you spend a few days using the mute function the forums become a much better place. Granted there is a lot of hate on these forums but they hardly make up the majority of people playing the game. Especially when you go to reddit and the amount of salt / hate is much less. Just goes to show the different maturity level

"Forumites" don't have to be the majority. A closed mouth doesn't get fed it's as simple as that.