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11/15/2016 8:59:03 AM
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The Elder Scrolls: Dwarves Theory.
Alright, if you have played The Elder Scrolls then chances are you know of the Dwemer, a race of men in mountains who essentially all disappeared in their steampunk phase while literally everything else was beating each other with big clubs, they were an impressive bunch. But that's not what I'm here to cover today, instead I have a theory.
Did the Dwemer just Zero-Sum?
Zero-Summing is what happens when you try to attain Godhood but fail to keep your individual personality, through a means called Chim. Both Vivec and Talos achieved Chim, and Talos became a recognized god, not too sure about the Elf. Perhaps the Dwemer tried to undergo Chim, failed and straight up ceased to exist?
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....no, I dont think so. Else you wouldnt encounter the final remaining Dwemer in Morrowind, right?
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I feel like that would effect all plains, so the one who survived by being in another plane sorta ends your theory for me. I still believe the popular, taken to another plain of Oblivion theory. One we don't know about.
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16 RepliesEdited by Obamuh: 11/16/2016 1:34:31 PMhttps://youtu.be/OHwosuNAHWI This video details what is currently known about the disappearance of the Dwemer. It's quite long but it's really a great video. Basically, the Dwemer found the heart of Lorkhan and planned using it to power their giant machine "The Brass Tower" and use it to gain immortality. Basically they disappeared because with the tools Keening, Sunder, and Wraithguard they poked the heart and then suddenly disappeared. My theory is that the reason why the Dwemer Automatons have lasted so long is because the souls of the Dwemer are now occupying them (basically they got immortality by becoming machines)
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2 RepliesIsnt there one in morrowind??? Like the last surviving one??? [spoiler]been a long time since i played...[/spoiler]
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Don't think so.. with my basic understanding of Chim I don't see it. Wouldn't their history and all their things they made be erased from existence and memory? What I do know is they were TRYING to attain Godhood, and to do so they hoped to harness the power of the Heart of Lorkhan. Lorkhan, if memory serves correctly, was sent to our plane of existence by Sithis in order to take things back to the natural order (everything was meant to stay an endless void). Could be that Sithis punished them for their impudence. The power of Sithis stands above all else in the lore, through implication. Everything that ever was or will be came from the void. And everything will eventually return to it. The Dwarves played with fire and probably got burned.
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4 RepliesIn all the lore I've read it would seem like something of this nature HAD to have happened. I was really hoping we'd discover the truth at some point, much like discovering that there were still Snow Eleves in existence (DawnGuard). Cool post.
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2 RepliesVivec was a god/demigod same as talos. He isn't part of the nine divines, he's part of the tribunal that has two other gods who killed the Nervarine.
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I'm not so sure about that. Skyrim has some lore on the subject for at least the Dwemer in Skyrim. Other dwemer settlements/cities could have tried though.
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If the dwemer were an individual possible, but an entire sub race of elves...unlikely.
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Edited by Sturm with no Drang: 11/18/2016 7:11:15 PMYou can literally go on to the ES forums sites and they have it all written down there. Every little crumb of a conspiracy, every single drop of lore. [spoiler]Just make sure not to go to any pages related to Vivec. That stuff will mess you up.[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyI think they tried to divide by zero.
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Smaug
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1 ReplyFrom what I'm reading in this thread, you're suggesting the Dwemer were erased totally from reality? You'd think if this was the case, their structures and constructs would not be so well preserved.
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Edited by ALIAS-F4LS: 11/18/2016 8:16:36 AMNot too sure. From what I understand to end up zero sum it erases them from ever existing. Not sure if that includes everything they made vanishing or not. So maybe? Might have fell victim to the first coming of Alduin's reign or uncovered an artifact of some sort. I think some might be living through their machines with their souls within the soul gems that all the machines run off of.
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Simple they dug too deep!
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Edited by shell: 11/15/2016 1:53:15 PMIf that happened, their would be no written records of them. CHIM alters the timeline. If they failed, not even Akatosh could find them because they never existed in the first place. Completely wiped from the face of time. It's the same reason nobody acknowledges Cyrodill not being a forest despite it being a forest in their childhood. It was never a forest. The timeline where it was was altered and destroyed. In TESO, it isn't a forest, despite taking place before Talos' gazed into the wheel, further reinforcing that CHIM completely restructures the timeline of the Aurbis.
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6 RepliesI don't know if all of the Dwemer were attempting to achieve CHIM, but if they were collectively doing so at the same time, it would explain why [i]every single one[/i] disappeared simultaneously. It's much more likely that the universe couldn't handle the actions of Kagrenac, whatever they were, and as a result he and every Dwemer just up and vanished. Or he could have gotten most of the way to forcibly making the Dwemer achieve CHIM through use of the Heart but screwed up by being rushed for time and caused any number of reasons for the Dwemer disappearing. Most likely disintegration/death of some sort, as you can find many Dwemer Phantoms in Morrowind and an entire abandoned dwemer city under Mournhold which held Dwemer ashes where they were when Kagrenac last struck the Heart. Honestly, CHIM and everything related to the creation of Nirn and the fundamental forces of that series is freakin' nuts and confusing.
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Bump.
