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The Return of the Spiker: My Argument for its Revival. Updated 2!

[quote][b]Warning: Thread contains Inductive Reasoning[/b] Commenting after reading this thread without understanding the nuances of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning]Inductive Reasoning[/url] may result in mass ridicule. [b]Warning: Original Poster sucks at writing succinctly [/b] For those of you who lack the stamina required to read well thought-out essays: you have been warned, I will make no compromises for your lack of focus.[/quote] [quote][b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to read about a recent discovery that strongly points to the Spiker's return in Reach! It's more or less indirectly confirmed now! [b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to see a picture from E3 where a Spiker can be spotted in the hands of a Brute. [b]New Information![/b] Scroll down to the 7th post to see the first Video Footage of the Spiker being used by the Player![/quote] [quote][/quote][b]Introduction[/b][quote][/quote] Today I am here to discuss the past, the present, and the future of the [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=12237]Type-25 Carbine[/url]. Adept at filling the air with swarms of low-velocity superheated spikes, the "Spiker" is the primary weapon of choice for Brute Infantry. It is dual-wieldable, unique, awesome, and happens to be my favorite weapon in Halo. Ever since that summer day in my AP Physics class where my class mates and I huddled around a single computer to watch the first Halo Reach Trailer with wonder and excitement in our eyes, I've been searching for signs of the Spiker in Reach. At the time of this writing, the Spiker has not been confirmed to be in or out of Reach by Bungie, and its inclusion or removal has been a fairly frequent topic in the Halo Reach Forum. Although I have posted in many of these threads, sharing different evidence, insights, and reasoning, I've yet to hone and sharpen my thoughts and unite them together into one masterpiece. But now, after nearly a month of brainstorming, drafting, and revising, I bring you my evidence for why I believe it is likely that the Spiker will return in Halo Reach. I've worked hard to step away from my emotions and fairly evaluate the probability of the Spiker returning in Reach with cold hard facts and intelligence. I've crafted this thread with several groups of people in mind. First, for the intellectuals of the forum. Please, examine my argument, attack it with everything you have, and try to break it. You did a very good job of this with my [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=41989722]Spartan Laser Thread[/url]. Because you broke that argument completely, it helped me to understand why the Spartan Laser's return in Halo Reach wasn't as bad as I originally thought. Don't expect it to be so easy this time around however, my "hate" of the Spartan Laser is insignificant compared to my Love for the Spiker. Second, for the people who might have seen me on the forums, but just assumed that I am some sort of Spiker Fan Boy who believes that the Spiker will be in Reach because [i]"Bungie wouldn't dare mess with my favorite weapon."[/i] Please learn how horrifically wrong you are. I've put a lot of thought into this, and I won't have you writing me off until you hear the full story. There is a reason to why I say [i]"The Spiker is likely to return in Reach"[/i] with such confidence. Finally, to the people who blindly trust every word I say, I'd at least want to give you some background to why I came to this conclusion so that if you ever find yourself under attack for claiming that the Spiker will return in Reach, you will at least know how to go about defending yourself. [quote][/quote][i]"Why do you think the Spiker will be in Reach"[/i] you ask? This is a bit of a difficult question to answer, and I'm not sure exactly where I should start. As a writer, it's much easier for me to explain my theory to you by presenting the common arguments for why the Spiker won't be in Reach, then counter them one by one. I've compiled six major arguments today, and I am willing to add more should you people craft some new ones which challenge my conclusion. The original post is comprised of seven posts total, so I wish you luck with finishing it. [quote][/quote][quote][b]Argument 1)[/b] [i]Spikers are weapons used only by Brutes. I heard that there won't be any Brutes in Halo Reach, so it makes no sense for there to be Spikers in Halo Reach.[/i][/quote][quote][/quote] This argument commonly comes from people who haven't been following the development of this game closely. There is no crime in making an assumption like this when you don't have all the details available for you to digest, so allow me to quickly and kindly correct your misunderstanding. Brutes are in Reach. They have been indirectly confirmed twice by Bungie. The first time that they were confirmed was in the First Halo Reach Vidoc: [url=http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx?c=58&i=24782]Once More Unto The Breach[/url]. At about 4:33 into the video, you will clearly see an artist working on a new brute model for Halo Reach (the brute model is on the left screen, Brute concept art from Halo 3 is on the right screen). For those of you who are lazy and don't mind my funny red annotations, I have a [url=http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab249/Hylebosaiden/Bnet%20Image%20Resources/OMGBRUTES.jpg]screencap[/url] of this picture for your viewing pleasure. Why would they show footage in the vidoc of a character model that won't be in the final game? The second time that they were confirmed was in the [url=http://downloads.bungie.net/podcasts/Bungie_Podcast_30910.mp3]03/09/10 Bungie Podcast[/url]. The guest of this show was the Reach Audio Lead: Jay Weinland. At about 30 minutes into the podcast, the following exchange occurs: [quote] [b]29:58 Brian Jarrard:[/b] And then I guess you guys are also dealing with redefining a Grunt speaking a native dialog versus an Elite versus all of the Covenant. [b]Jay Weinland:[/b] Yup, it's a totally different take there I guess, totally different take, and we've come up with a way to actually write English words and then transmogrify them into an Alien Language which... [b]Brian Jarrard:[/b] Yeah, I heard that a real formal language was created, sort of melding together some other things that are out there and then you guys are like: "guess we'll apply some processing to the final recording to make..." [b]Jay Weinland:[/b] Yeah, apply some processing to make it sound more [b][u]Brutey[/b][/u], or more Elitey, or more Grunty. [b]Brian Jarrard:[/b] That's awesome. [b]Jay Weinland:[/b] So yeah, that's going to be good times, we've already recorded a couple of grunts, we're getting our Elites and [b][u]Brutes[/u][/b] here in Seattle. [/quote] Why would they need to record dialog for Brutes if they aren't going to be in the game? Now, some of you might not be entirely convinced. I've heard all sorts of justifications for why Brutes won't be in Reach despite the prior two bits of evidence. [i]"Brutes will be in cut scenes only and we won't ever fight them"[/i] or [i]"Bungie says that all details are subject to change, so they could easily come to their senses and removes Brutes from Reach before they ruin Campaign."[/i] To be blunt, these are feeble weak arguments which aren't likely to occur. I understand that some of you people may be nervous about reintroducing Brutes into Halo Reach when they didn't do so well in Halo 2 or Halo 3, but there are a variety of reasons why Brutes in Reach won't suck as much as in prior games. The important thing is that there are Brutes in the game, so we know that Spikers won't be taken out just because Brutes are absent. But Brutes have not been as consistent in their presentation throughout previous Halo games, which brings us to our next argument. [quote][/quote][b]Continued on Page 2[/b][quote][/quote] [Edited on 09.09.2010 5:46 PM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Plasma3150 Why is this thread still going? The Spiker has been confirmed.[/quote] Personally I'm still waiting to hear what changes have been made to it, and if it will be prevalent in default multiplayer / matchmaking or if it will be Customs / Campaign / Firefight / Forge only. As for the others... they seem to like to bump it back to life randomly. I certainetly don't pay them.

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  • Why is this thread still going? The Spiker has been confirmed.

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  • Insanely long post is insanely long.

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  • I was wondering where you were, haven't seen you on the forums much.

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  • I totally agree - the spiker was my favourite weapon in Halo 3, one I unfortunately didn't get to use so much in matchmaking. Since dual-wielding is gone now, they will probably do what they did with the needler from Halo 2 -> Halo 3. Stronger spikes, better ROF, and maybe a higher ammo capacity. It's a shame the spiker wasn't able to be set as a starting weapon in Halo 3 custom games. I've always liked to use weapons that [b] feel good to use[/b]/[b]look good to use[/b] such as the Spiker, plasma pistol melee, beam rifle, and to some extent, the sentinel beam . [Edited on 07.06.2010 9:53 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blah blah177 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DynastyOfShinho out of curiosity, did you just make this thread because you were bored? I mean the spiker was a pretty bad weapon in Halo 3 even though it looked pretty sweet. I feel you just wanted the challenge of coming up with valid arguments for a weak subject.[/quote] I've got a better question here: Why would you revive this thread? And you're right. But Hylebos had to play off this little thing that he's got going for him to attention whore more. Now he's gotten a gigantic ego. But who gives a -blam!-? He's already bigger than Reach itself? OT: I wonder how different the spiker will be. Will the rounds be different and will the clip be larger?[/quote]Why would you revive the thread by responding to my post? Hylebos deserves credit. Hes probably had more activity in these forums then everyone who replied to this thread combined.

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  • [url]http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Reach/images/cutouts/e32010ff/inline/Reach_E310_BruteMinor.jpg[/url] CONIRMED ( i no im probably late }

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DynastyOfShinho out of curiosity, did you just make this thread because you were bored? I mean the spiker was a pretty bad weapon in Halo 3 even though it looked pretty sweet. I feel you just wanted the challenge of coming up with valid arguments for a weak subject.[/quote] College is nice when you have classes that don't assign homework, you can study at your own pace, and you have quite a bit of free time if you have gained mastery over the material. But did I choose the Spiker because it was a weak subject? Interesting question, complicated answer, but the answer is "No, I made a thread about the Spiker because it is my favorite weapon, but yes, the fact that my favorite weapon is the Spiker at some level does have something to do with the fact that it is weak and unpopular." Let's just say that when it comes to videogames, I enjoy challenging myself by turning a weakness into a strength.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DynastyOfShinho out of curiosity, did you just make this thread because you were bored? I mean the spiker was a pretty bad weapon in Halo 3 even though it looked pretty sweet. I feel you just wanted the challenge of coming up with valid arguments for a weak subject.[/quote] I've got a better question here: Why would you revive this thread? And you're right. But Hylebos had to play off this little thing that he's got going for him to attention whore more. Now he's gotten a gigantic ego. But who gives a -blam!-? He's already bigger than Reach itself? OT: I wonder how different the spiker will be. Will the rounds be different and will the clip be larger?

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  • out of curiosity, did you just make this thread because you were bored? I mean the spiker was a pretty bad weapon in Halo 3 even though it looked pretty sweet. I feel you just wanted the challenge of coming up with valid arguments for a weak subject.

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  • wow looks like someone cares alot about it but anyways i didnt rad any thing but the title cause schools out the only thing im reading is thing about games and hot @$$ chicks.

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  • damn, I always hated brutes, and the spiker wasnt worth -blam!- in H3, hopefully it will even be worth looking at in Reach, mabye Ill even pick it up once or twice. Idk. Renders in Reach just ruined my life =/

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  • Never doubted, now we have proof that it is in everything, campaign, firefight, multiplayer.

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  • Very well written. I'm glad the spiker is back in Reach. And they even said in the weekly update today that it's going to be in multiplayer.

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  • Wow, you really like the Spiker. So, yeah they're in MP. This week's update just said they might be on Swordbase.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] iXi DrAg0n iXi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elitebrawler133 they should make more brute weapons like a two handed rifle[/quote] Brute spiker rifle. Which is what I believe to be similar to the needler rifle without the whole explosion thing... But we will see =X. P.S read the weekly update. PP.S R.I.P brute shot (I think).[/quote]Wrong. It has been confirmed that the Spiker Rifle is the same thing as a Spiker.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elitebrawler133 they should make more brute weapons like a two handed rifle[/quote] Brute spiker rifle. Which is what I believe to be similar to the needler rifle without the whole explosion thing... But we will see =X. P.S read the weekly update. PP.S R.I.P brute shot (I think).

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  • they should make more brute weapons like a two handed rifle

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  • We all basically knew it'd be in anyways, so it doesn't really matter I guess. =D [Edited on 06.25.2010 7:23 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zomechin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadCompany Brik [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zomechin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadCompany Brik Congratulations Hylebos, on the new Brute Spiker Rifle! Born from Urk's words in the June 25, 2010 BWU, it is now confirmed that a spiker type weapon will be in Reach.[/quote]It was confirmed a LONG time ago, man.[/quote]No, it was highly likely a long time ago, it's not really confirmed until a Bungie employee says that it's in the game, or it's explicitly shown in a video. It hadn't been confirmed until the 06/25 BWU.[/quote] No, it was confirmed. Trust me. [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_061810]Last week's update.[/url] Go near the bottom of the page. It says spiker in the weapons list. It's been confirmed before this too, in multiple videos.[/quote]Meh, I blame Hylebos and his un-updated OP. ;)

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadCompany Brik [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zomechin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadCompany Brik Congratulations Hylebos, on the new Brute Spiker Rifle! Born from Urk's words in the June 25, 2010 BWU, it is now confirmed that a spiker type weapon will be in Reach.[/quote] It was confirmed a LONG time ago, man.[/quote]No, it was highly likely a long time ago, it's not really confirmed until a Bungie employee says that it's in the game, or it's explicitly shown in a video. It hadn't been confirmed until the 06/25 BWU.[/quote] No, it was confirmed. Trust me. [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_061810]Last week's update.[/url] Go near the bottom of the page. It says spiker in the weapons list. It's been confirmed before this too, in multiple videos.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zomechin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadCompany Brik Congratulations Hylebos, on the new Brute Spiker Rifle! Born from Urk's words in the June 25, 2010 BWU, it is now confirmed that a spiker type weapon will be in Reach.[/quote] It was confirmed a LONG time ago, man.[/quote]No, it was highly likely a long time ago, it's not really confirmed until a Bungie employee says that it's in the game, or it's explicitly shown in a video. It hadn't been confirmed until the 06/25 BWU.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Zomechin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadCompany Brik Congratulations Hylebos, on the new Brute Spiker Rifle! Born from Urk's words in the June 25, 2010 BWU, it is now confirmed that a spiker type weapon will be in Reach.[/quote] It was confirmed a LONG time ago, man.[/quote] I believe the first proof came several months ago back when brutes were shown in the ViDoc.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadCompany Brik Congratulations Hylebos, on the new Brute Spiker Rifle! Born from Urk's words in the June 25, 2010 BWU, it is now confirmed that a spiker type weapon will be in Reach.[/quote] It was confirmed a LONG time ago, man.

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  • Congratulations Hylebos, on the new Brute Spiker Rifle! Born from Urk's words in the June 25, 2010 BWU, it is now confirmed that a spiker type weapon will be in Reach.

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  • I really hope its still full-auto and not semi, this game is lacking full-auto weapons.

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