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Edited by Crocco: 6/29/2016 4:36:11 AM
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A Curious Brit: Gun Control in America

Wall of text incoming. Here goes. [spoiler]Before I get into this, I want it made clear that I am completely impartial about this. I'm posting this for two reasons - to satisfy my curiosity on a subject I have no experience with, [b]and to generate good, honest, open, clear debate.[/b] I'm not looking to start flame wars. Anyone who goes too far with insults and/or harassment, either to me or another user, will be muted and/or blocked. Keep it clean, people. We're all friends here.[/spoiler] I was watching an interview recently, between Piers Morgan and a pro-gun campaigner named Dan Roberts, the link to which is above. The topic of discussion was the tragic shooting in an Orlando gay nightclub, where 49 were killed and 53 were injured. In this interview (linked above, for your viewing (dis)pleasure), Morgan was asking Roberts' opinions regarding the incident and how the American gun market could be to blame for the tragedy, seeing how easily accessible they are, and if they should be restricted. It was closer to an interrogation than an interview. First things first, let me explain how guns work in Britain. If you want a gun,, you need a good reason for it. If you have a good reason, you need a license for it. Once you have the license, you can have the gun. I shan't go into the whole interview point-by-point. I'm just going to cover the main ones that I think sum up the interview as a whole. Again, for those who want to watch the full thing, link is the above. The first point Morgan made was that the US banned the sale of Kinder Surprise chocolate eggs because they were deemed "unsafe", but can buy a semi-auto rifle. Personally, I find this argument to be laughable, due to the fact that the two are completely unrelated in nature. It's a childish argument. I'm also pretty sure this ban was lifted in recent years, but I could be wrong about that. Nonetheless, Roberts backs this fact with statistics that "choking on candy is one of the top five causes of childhood mortality in the US". As fair an accessment as that is, it didn't need to be brought up. Moving on. Morgan's co-host Susanna made the argument later on that "if you take away the means, you restrict the number of people who are murdered". Roberts' response is, in my opinion, laughable. Dodging the question completely, he instead points out the UK's violent crime rates, our knife crime problem and gun crime violations. I'm not saying that these aren't serious issues; they are. But dodging the question entirely instead of tackling it head-on comes across as a weak defence. It's easy for people like Piers Morgan, Susanna and indeed myself to make all of these claims that if America got rid of it's guns, it'd be all the better for it. But what do we know? Surprise surprise, [b]we don't.[/b] Some American families have grown up with guns around them their entire lives. Some have never touched a gun and never plan to. Both are are equally okay. As I've said before, I'm an outsider. The extent of my gun knowledge comes from an American man who pretends to be Russian on the internet. I want to learn more. I want to see other opinions and views. A popular argument is, I believe, "The second amendment". I have [i]no earthly idea what that is.[/i] So humour me, if you will, one and all. I want to hear your thoughts and feelings regarding guns, their use and their control. Because, and I'll say it again, I am woefully uneducated about it. EDIT 1: I can't spell for shit. EDIT 2: I now know what the second amendment is. Thanks to user Monsieur Azazel for explaining it to me.
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  • I like to hear Paul Henry's view on this.

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  • Edited by BlaqSpiral: 6/29/2016 7:20:05 PM
    I feel like this has been more than explained several times. The comparison to the food Piers Morgan is talking about is stupid on two fronts: One, they aren't comparable situations. Second, why is gun ownership not just a Constitutional right, but one of our Bill of Rights (which was specifically put in place as guaranteed rights for the people versus the government)? The problem with these arguments, is that no matter what numbers anyone pulls up, the right to bear arms is intrinsic to what it means to be American (US). Our first right is free speech, something guaranteed to extremely few other nations, our second is the right to bear arms, again, a right guaranteed to few other people of any nation.

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  • Edited by savage coco: 6/29/2016 4:30:19 AM
    One point that a lot of people over look is the neighbor country we have. Mexico smuggles a lot of guns into our country. Banning guns would probably have little affect because they'd still be pushed into the country. Mexico makes large amounts of money from smuggling guns & drugs into this country. Also another big problem we have is gangs. There are a lot of gangs that stem out from Mexico (as well as other countries & as well as from out own country) to sell the guns and drugs that are being smuggled in. They contribute a large chunk to the gun violence that occurs in our country & despite trying to stop the gun & drug issue, we have made little to no progress. From the outside or to a lot of people here, it seems like an easy issue to solve but there's many things that go into it. It's not a simple ban & suddenly things work out. What I would like to see is for mental institutes to be more readily available. Many people don't get help because they can't afford it & I'd be willing to pay higher tax to help those people. Also there is a stigma surrounding mental illnesses that should be broken. I think a lot of people don't get help because they're afraid of the backlash they'll get from people. I would also like to see more commercials that help normalize going to these places if you need to. I'm to lazy to actually get sites, but I'm sure you can look into what I said. I don't think banning guns is the solution & I'm not opposed to stricter laws (though criminals wouldn't care about them). I know many responsible gun owner that would like to see a mandatory gun safety & handling class before being able to purchase a gun. Permits are required in some states & it's be nice to see it for all states.

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    • He didn't dodge any questions. The second one shouldn't have been asked. The point he made was killers can just kill with anything else other than a gun. You have bombs, knives and other melee weapons, cars, kinder surprise eggs, poison and other hurtful chemicals, YOUR BARE HANDS.

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      • The main reason we have guns is so that we can rebel if we see we need to. Like if the government isn't a good government and becomes corrupt.

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        Liberal media and even conservative media, ie. Fox news doesnt actually know a fking thing about buying and owning guns. Iam active duty military for 11 years and have owned guns in multiple states. Each state imposes different restrictions and stipulations for ownership. As far as the 2nd amendment, it was written by our founding fathers right after fighting for and attaining "freedom" from the monarchy. Our country was literally formed from the spilled blood of patriots, american patriots. America is so 1st world now that we feel were invulnerable from tyrannical regimes. The 2nd amendment ensures Americas freedom, not from foreign enemies but domestic enemies, aka our own government. If people talk about "gun violence" deaths there are 1000 diffetent things that kill Americans 10 fold. Drunk driving, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, obesity.

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        • The second amendment actually exist because if you. Britain that is. While fighting for our independence towns that where under British control had there guns taken away. They were manly used as back up for the British army. So therefore when we ultimately controlled our control we place the second amendment so highly so that this never happened again. It is for that reason that the second will never go away. No matter what our politicians try to hear us into thinking to win an election. Also in case someone tries to be a dick it wasnt just the British army that took guns of citizens in America. Our army did too, supply were scarce for both sides.

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          • I personally am anti-gun laws, I feel everyone deemed safe by initial reviews should be able to purchase one. If one person in that club would have had a gun the story might have ended very differently. What criminal would stick up a store where they know many of the shoppers could have a gun? Texas has one of the lowest crime rates for a reason.

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            • Redcoats do not need to worry or think about what goes on here in the States. Eat you biscuits and drink your tea and enjoy your refugees.

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              • Funnily enough, the second amendment allowed citizens of the United states to own nuclear weapons, but the supreme court shut that down fast

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                • Look into the Orlando shooting. It's not what you think.

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                  • I believe that if you enjoy hunting or want a small weapon for self defense in your house in case of something like a burglary. But you shouldn't be able to go out and buy yourself a weapon whose design derives from that of a weapon made to kill people. I mean, from what good reason should someone need a gun like that for self defense, when you can simply have a handgun? I mean a .44 Magnum will knock a burglar on the ground faster than a combat rifle like that. Besides, a handgun is so much smaller and much easier to handle than a rifle. It all confuses me too, as I wasn't born American, but that's my opinion. So, TLDR- Want something to go hunting with? Get a hunting rifle or shotgun. Want to stay safe in your house/protect yourself from burglars? Get a handgun. Do you need a combat rifle? Absolutely not. So my verdict stands; don't ban guns in all, but make some strict to own.

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                    • You need to take a test and get a license to drive. Why shouldn't you need to take a test and have the proper checks done when buying a gun?

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                      • There we are. That'll do.

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                      • A self-bump or two to get this moving along.

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