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Lords, Wolves, and the Rise of Iron

Hello and welcome Guardians, this is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig and I’m here to talk about what just might be the future of Destiny, the Iron Lords, Banner, and Wolves. If you haven’t seen the “leak” the above image was sent around not too long ago. A supposed expansion called Rise of Iron, in this post we’ll first cover the validity of the leak and then touch on the lore of it all. I’ll be honest with you, I didn’t see any logical expansion going in this direction, Bungie has been building up the Vex slowly in the background. I wanted the fabled Vex Void to finally come, but I had the sinking feeling of doubt more and more as time went on that it wouldn’t be. The Eliksni (Fallen) are my favorite, and I want them to get a good focus more than anything, but it just didn’t fit the time in my opinion. But that’s not to say that this wasn’t being said as far back as March 11th, [url=https://twitter.com/Kadi5530/status/708291938789625856]like this tweet[/url] [quote]April Update #Destiny: PoE renewed, 2 new Strikes, Light 335, Lootboxes (a. MT) - Fall DLC: Fallen Raid and many more ;).[/quote] This was what i would call the first leak. It’s been on the nose up to this point, and with more visual aspects only aiding in it. K-dub from Guardian Radio had something to say about the image as well, this is his take on the leak. (starts at 39 minutes of episode 164 found [url=http://theguardiansofdestiny.com/guardian-radio-episode-164/]here[/url] [quote]I wanna say i work for a company, we make the largest copy printing devices in the world, and this is professionally printed, and if you look at the image you’ll see at the top there’s these little color bands. Those are RGBCKY (sorry if i got the letters wrong here) color bands and those are all of the colors used in ink to make every color there is known to man, and they’re at the top of that poster which signifies that was professionally printed and that’s a proof. So that is absolutely a real document, that was professionally made and printed[/quote] Now if you look closely at the image you’ll notice it has a small < symbol at the right hand side, that’s because this was a snapchat leaked image. It would make sense that Bungie designed this as a poster for E3 and sent it out to be printed, when someone saw what it was they snapped it to a friend thinking nothing would happen, and from one friend they could have passed it to another and another and essentially blurred the lines and make it impossible to track back to the one who took the picture. Because of all this, as much as I wanted Vex Void, I’m going to say it’s legitimate. . So let’s get into the lore surrounding this topic to see just how likely it is, and what we can expect for the future assuming of course it is a legitimate leak. If you don’t already follow @ishtarcoll you absolutely should, because it’s Baxter and his team who made me make some of the connections I’m about to show you. Every day at 9am Eastern they tweet a semi-random Grimoire card, item, or even quest, and just a couple days ago they posted [url=https://twitter.com/IshtarColl/status/736905019706900480]this one[/url] for those who dont want to open the link, it’s a blue item called Cloak of the Ironsworn with the flavor text [quote]”Those who find victory in the Crucible will win salvation for our City.” - Iron Banner Maxim[/quote] Now this was just amazing for me to read, I don’t know how many times I just glanced over it, but this time it stuck. For those who don’t know a maxim is a “short, pithy statement expressing a general truth or rule of conduct.” Which tells us a lot, the Iron Banner had maxims, this one at least for sure, but this is coming from an item calling it’s owner an “Ironsworn” We know the Iron Lords, who led patrols during Six Fronts and during the building of the Walls, all nine of them. We now have hints that there were nine others named Iron Wolves, but Ironsworn? This is the one and only mention of them. So who were they exactly? As I said we know the Iron Lords, their names and classes being expressed on the PS exclusive Iron Banner gear. [quote]Forged in remembrance of Efrideet, she whose keen eye never missed her mark.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Gheleon, he who was a true Guardian to the people.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Perun, she who hunted the Darkness where it dwelt.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Silimar, he who was the Last City's first wall.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Radegast, he who was first among the peers of the Iron Banner.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Jolder, she whose mighty hammer taught the Darkness fear.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Felwinter, he who stared into the Void.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Skorri, she who sang out the Iron Song.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Timur, he whom the City's enemies dreaded most.[/quote] These are the nine Iron Lords, but one, Skorri, may be a little different than the rest. [b]Skorri’s Dirge[/b][quote]They say she's apart from the Iron Banner, yet she sings songs of her lost companions.[/quote] So if Skorri was apart from the Iron Banner, could she have been simply an Ironsworn? One who was close, but not a part of the primary group? It might just be that she was that, and that she actually replaced an Iron Lord, one who’s head we have as an artifact now. [b]Segoth’s Head[/b][quote]”Thought we formed the Banner to fight the Darkness, not ourselves. Just don't bode well, s'all I'm sayin'” —Gheleon[/quote] This is further suggested when we look at another bond from an older Iron Banner. [b]Skorri’s Iron Bond[/b][quote]”Rise above, so that you may lift those below.”[/quote] Is this referencing the progression of Skorri from Ironsworn to Iron Lord? To be honest I’m not entirely sure. There’s so little to go on, it’s certainly a possibility, but we may never know for sure. But in any case, I guess the Iron Banner wasn’t as picture perfect as Saladin Forge would have us believe. [b]Radegast’s Blade[/b][quote]So long as this sword was whole, the Iron Banner could not be broken.[/quote] I would like to say, the blade is shattered. We currently don’t know what befell the Iron Lords, but it could have been infighting, it could have simply been an overwhelming force, and it could have been just that the City felt they weren’t needed. The last seems the least likely though. The first, in my opinion is what happened though. They were there when the City was just getting it’s legs, when Guardians were just becoming Guardians, they were the founding fathers and mothers of the City, and they very likely had different views on how it should be run. [b]Wolfswood Cloak[/b][quote]In our darkest hour, nine Iron Wolves emerged from the ruins.[/quote] It’s this cloak that introduces the next set of heroes for the City. There are people who believe that the Iron Wolves and Lords are one in the same, but I do not see it this way, and this is really where the Rise of Iron comes into play. Most of you should remember the special emblem that came to us at the new year, the red sun on the horizon of the City. [url=http://www.justpushstart.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Screen-Shot-2016-01-07-at-2.17.09-PM.png]This emblem[/url] No it’s not Vex Spires, it’s literally the City from the grimoire card index image. This seemingly completely unimportant emblem, not even cool enough to be worn, is the key. [b]Wolfswood Bond[/b][quote]Under a red dawn, the Iron Wolves gathered beneath the Ironwood.[/quote] [b]Wolfswood Mark[/b][quote]And beneath its branches, the Iron Wolves forged an unbreakable oath.[/quote] And then in the darkest hour of the Iron Lords these nine, possibly once Ironsworn, Iron Wolves come out to protect our future. The new Iron Banner weapons are likely the names of these Iron Wolves. These are the heroes we fight for in emulation in the Iron Banner. We fight each other to train ourselves to our best strengths possible because none are more powerful than a Guardian. These are the heroes that we will be bringing the fight to the enemy in memory for. . I’d like to show you another image, this one will help explain what i believe will be happening in the Rise of Iron. In [url=https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/risegif.gif]this image[/url] we see the same Rise of Iron leak, but it transitions near perfectly to the outside of the Cosmodrome wall, the key here is on the left half there’s the РФБА (Russian Federal Bureau of Aeronautics) symbol. On no other walls can this be found. The main speculation I’ve seen about this image is that the Eliksni attack us, attack the City, and that it’ll be Twilight Gap II. But that makes no sense to me, the Cosmodrome is Eliksni territory, they wouldn’t destroy their own wall to attack us, and look at the upper right side of the destroyed wall, there’s flames left behind. I believe these are left behind by Saladin, who in the DLC will be leading an attack against the House of Kings. Saladin holds the Iron Banner to train us, this DLC will not be a PvP focused game, I believe he’s finally found someone who he feels is ready to take the fight back. Thank you for reading, this is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig! A funny coincidence was made by Lord Puncake [quote]Rise of Iron RoI Roi is French for "King" House of Kings I feel like one of those people who finds illuminati in everything.[/quote] [url=https://www.bungie.net/ru/Forum/Post/115658936/0/0]AnonPig’s Theories Archived[/url]

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  • Hello Anon! I was wondering when the iron lords died. I also wanted to know how many years ago did the battle of six fronts happen and how many years ago was twilight gap? Thanks

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    • Edited by AfghaniClownPcrn: 6/26/2016 9:45:01 PM
      Yo, fellow lore maker Anon! Could you help me out with answering a question, were the Iron Lords around the Golden Age/ before the collapse and who specifically did they lead, the city?

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      • Can someone just reply to me what all the Iron Lords names are

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        • Ok, i've been hearing that the next dlc is only for the Xbox one and ps4, is this true?

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          • I really wanted a Cabal DLC, right now the Cabal are just simple troopers that are only a hint of the true power and glamour of the Emperor's true might. They could've been a lot more. When i heard there was a Cabal emperor i imagined the imperial Cabal force that could've let the Cabal display the extent of their devotion to war, and the way they decorate their true leaders. Would've had some interesting landscapes, designs and concept art. Personally i imagined the imperial Cabal styling as a combination of Roman and Mongolian.

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            • waaa?? Too much info... breaking down. *makes vex and Endermen noises woa wao wao woaahhhhh ahhhhh ENDERMEN EVERYWHERE I see herobrine!! lololololol jkjk Felt bored and was amazed by the post. lol

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            • I find it ironic how we've had 3 expansions now and NOT ONE OF THEM advances the Travellers little story.

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              • Neat

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              • The Iron Lords destroyed themselves because of their egos and infighting which wasn't surprising given they were "Lords" characters known to be self centered, however The Iron Wolves saw this in-fighting and working as a "pack" fought together without the dominating egos and and attitudes which begot their counterparts.

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              • I think it will introduce 9-member raids/activities

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              • Edited by RealPraxis: 6/1/2016 5:23:15 PM
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                I see that no one at Bungie has replied or even comment on this post. lol...they were told to ignore.

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                • AnonPig is back!

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                  • Lords, wolves and iron oh my

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                    • Edited by GrayWulf25: 6/2/2016 10:25:26 AM
                      Good stuff. We kind of knew the name of the 9 Iron Lords well before the PS Exclusive gear, from Year 1 IB weapons: Silimars Wrath, Gheleons Demise, Skorris Revenge, Felwinter's Lie....all the way down to Jolder's Hammer. The descriptions from the PS Exclusive Gear is pretty much verbatim from the Y1 weapons So the Y2 Iron banner weapons must be named after the 9 Iron Wolves which makes their names as follows: Nirwen, Haakon, Colovance, Finnala, Deidris, Ashraven, Weyloran, Tormod and Bretomart

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                      • Bellevue, Washington 0500 AM PDT Bungie Offices Intern: Sir, we have reports of advanced theory-making coming up on the forums. DeeJ: Who is it this time? Cosmo: (looking frazzled) It's AnonPig again... DeeJ: Damnit. Now we will have to rewrite the story again.

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                        • @Kadi5530 tweeted something an hour ago to add a little hype.

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                        • Any link to the 9 iron lords and the nine in general?

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                          • Fantastic post as always! Nice work :) AnonPig, in an unrelated question why do you think it is that Bungie is seemingly so disinterested in advancing the story of the traveler and the stranger? My guess is if they [i]are[/i] bound to develop that story line, they are saving all that for Destiny 2.

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                            • Edited by Barrierr-: 6/1/2016 3:04:57 PM
                              This is really not the direction I was hoping Destiny would go. Iron Banner & the Iron Lords aren't really interesting. Why can't we just get an expansion that brings the Traveler & the Stranger back? Destiny is like one of those "create your own story" books but instead of turning to said page, you just read it all the way through. Everyone is confused af.

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                              • First off TL;DR ........seriously way to long........secondly is that the new rise of iron dlc in your pants?[spoiler]or are you just happy to see me;-)?[/spoiler]

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                                • Forged to remember giraffe the mighty who went cabals deep into the depths of darkness

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                                • [quote]Hello and welcome Guardians, this is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig and I’m here to talk about what just might be the future of Destiny, the Iron Lords, Banner, and Wolves. If you haven’t seen the “leak” the above image was sent around not too long ago. A supposed expansion called Rise of Iron, in this post we’ll first cover the validity of the leak and then touch on the lore of it all. I’ll be honest with you, I didn’t see any logical expansion going in this direction, Bungie has been building up the Vex slowly in the background. I wanted the fabled Vex Void to finally come, but I had the sinking feeling of doubt more and more as time went on that it wouldn’t be. The Eliksni (Fallen) are my favorite, and I want them to get a good focus more than anything, but it just didn’t fit the time in my opinion. But that’s not to say that this wasn’t being said as far back as March 11th, [url=https://twitter.com/Kadi5530/status/708291938789625856]like this tweet[/url] [quote]April Update #Destiny: PoE renewed, 2 new Strikes, Light 335, Lootboxes (a. MT) - Fall DLC: Fallen Raid and many more ;).[/quote] This was what i would call the first leak. It’s been on the nose up to this point, and with more visual aspects only aiding in it. K-dub from Guardian Radio had something to say about the image as well, this is his take on the leak. (starts at 39 minutes of episode 164 found [url=http://theguardiansofdestiny.com/guardian-radio-episode-164/]here[/url] [quote]I wanna say i work for a company, we make the largest copy printing devices in the world, and this is professionally printed, and if you look at the image you’ll see at the top there’s these little color bands. Those are RGBCKY (sorry if i got the letters wrong here) color bands and those are all of the colors used in ink to make every color there is known to man, and they’re at the top of that poster which signifies that was professionally printed and that’s a proof. So that is absolutely a real document, that was professionally made and printed[/quote] Now if you look closely at the image you’ll notice it has a small < symbol at the right hand side, that’s because this was a snapchat leaked image. It would make sense that Bungie designed this as a poster for E3 and sent it out to be printed, when someone saw what it was they snapped it to a friend thinking nothing would happen, and from one friend they could have passed it to another and another and essentially blurred the lines and make it impossible to track back to the one who took the picture. Because of all this, as much as I wanted Vex Void, I’m going to say it’s legitimate. . So let’s get into the lore surrounding this topic to see just how likely it is, and what we can expect for the future assuming of course it is a legitimate leak. If you don’t already follow @ishtarcoll you absolutely should, because it’s Baxter and his team who made me make some of the connections I’m about to show you. Every day at 9am Eastern they tweet a semi-random Grimoire card, item, or even quest, and just a couple days ago they posted [url=https://twitter.com/IshtarColl/status/736905019706900480]this one[/url] for those who dont want to open the link, it’s a blue item called Cloak of the Ironsworn with the flavor text [quote]”Those who find victory in the Crucible will win salvation for our City.” - Iron Banner Maxim[/quote] Now this was just amazing for me to read, I don’t know how many times I just glanced over it, but this time it stuck. For those who don’t know a maxim is a “short, pithy statement expressing a general truth or rule of conduct.” Which tells us a lot, the Iron Banner had maxims, this one at least for sure, but this is coming from an item calling it’s owner an “Ironsworn” We know the Iron Lords, who led patrols during Six Fronts and during the building of the Walls, all nine of them. We now have hints that there were nine others named Iron Wolves, but Ironsworn? This is the one and only mention of them. So who were they exactly? As I said we know the Iron Lords, their names and classes being expressed on the PS exclusive Iron Banner gear. [quote]Forged in remembrance of Efrideet, she whose keen eye never missed her mark.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Gheleon, he who was a true Guardian to the people.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Perun, she who hunted the Darkness where it dwelt.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Silimar, he who was the Last City's first wall.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Radegast, he who was first among the peers of the Iron Banner.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Jolder, she whose mighty hammer taught the Darkness fear.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Felwinter, he who stared into the Void.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Skorri, she who sang out the Iron Song.[/quote] [quote]Forged in remembrance of Timur, he whom the City's enemies dreaded most.[/quote] These are the nine Iron Lords, but one, Skorri, may be a little different than the rest. [b]Skorri’s Dirge[/b][quote]They say she's apart from the Iron Banner, yet she sings songs of her lost companions.[/quote] So if Skorri was apart from the Iron Banner, could she have been simply an Ironsworn? One who was close, but not a part of the primary group? It might just be that she was that, and that she actually replaced an Iron Lord, one who’s head we have as an artifact now. [b]Segoth’s Head[/b][quote]”Thought we formed the Banner to fight the Darkness, not ourselves. Just don't bode well, s'all I'm sayin'” —Gheleon[/quote] This is further suggested when we look at another bond from an older Iron Banner. [b]Skorri’s Iron Bond[/b][quote]”Rise above, so that you may lift those below.”[/quote] Is this referencing the progression of Skorri from Ironsworn to Iron Lord? To be honest I’m not entirely sure. There’s so little to go on, it’s certainly a possibility, but we may never know for sure. But in any case, I guess the Iron Banner wasn’t as picture perfect as Saladin Forge would have us believe. [b]Radegast’s Blade[/b][quote]So long as this sword was whole, the Iron Banner could not be broken.[/quote] I would like to say, the blade is shattered. We currently don’t know what befell the Iron Lords, but it could have been infighting, it could have simply been an overwhelming force, and it could have been just that the City felt they weren’t needed. The last seems the least likely though. The first, in my opinion is what happened though. They were there when the City was just getting it’s legs, when Guardians were just becoming Guardians, they were the founding fathers and mothers of the City, and they very likely had different views on how it should be run. [b]Wolfswood Cloak[/b][quote]In our darkest hour, nine Iron Wolves emerged from the ruins.[/quote] It’s this cloak that introduces the next set of heroes for the City. There are people who believe that the Iron Wolves and Lords are one in the same, but I do not see it this way, and this is really where the Rise of Iron comes into play. Most of you should remember the special emblem that came to us at the new year, the red sun on the horizon of the City. [url=http://www.justpushstart.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Screen-Shot-2016-01-07-at-2.17.09-PM.png]This emblem[/url] No it’s not Vex Spires, it’s literally the City from the grimoire card index image. This seemingly completely unimportant emblem, not even cool enough to be worn, is the key. [b]Wolfswood Bond[/b][quote]Under a red dawn, the Iron Wolves gathered beneath the Ironwood.[/quote] [b]Wolfswood Mark[/b][quote]And beneath its branches, the Iron Wolves forged an unbreakable oath.[/quote] And then in the darkest hour of the Iron Lords these nine, possibly once Ironsworn, Iron Wolves come out to protect our future. The new Iron Banner weapons are likely the names of these Iron Wolves. These are the heroes we fight for in emulation in the Iron Banner. We fight each other to train ourselves to our best strengths possible because none are more powerful than a Guardian. These are the heroes that we will be bringing the fight to the enemy in memory for. . I’d like to show you another image, this one will help explain what i believe will be happening in the Rise of Iron. In [url=https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/risegif.gif]this image[/url] we see the same Rise of Iron leak, but it transitions near perfectly to the outside of the Cosmodrome wall, the key here is on the left half there’s the РФБА (Russian Federal Bureau of Aeronautics) symbol. On no other walls can this be found. The main speculation I’ve seen about this image is that the Eliksni attack us, attack the City, and that it’ll be Twilight Gap II. But that makes no sense to me, the Cosmodrome is Eliksni territory, they wouldn’t destroy their own wall to attack us, and look at the upper right side of the destroyed wall, there’s flames left behind. I believe these are left behind by Saladin, who in the DLC will be leading an attack against the House of Kings. Saladin holds the Iron Banner to train us, this DLC will not be a PvP focused game, I believe he’s finally found someone who he feels is ready to take the fight back. Thank you for reading, this is your friendly neighborhood AnonPig! A funny coincidence was made by Lord Puncake [quote]Rise of Iron RoI Roi is French for "King" House of Kings I feel like one of those people who finds illuminati in everything.[/quote] [url=https://www.bungie.net/ru/Forum/Post/115658936/0/0]AnonPig’s Theories Archived[/url][/quote] Seriously. U spend too much time on destiny

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                                  • OH GOD I'M TINFOIL HATTING SO HARD RIGHT NOW. Well done as always

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                                  • Or maybe the Iron lords are being invoked to withstand the Cabal incursion........ just a thought.

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                                  • Anyone else feel like IB will be launched the week before release

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                                  • So these ideas came to mind based on all of the speculation for the next DLC of Destiny, the fact that some people think we should make an alliance with the Fallen, and the fact that plenty of people want an alien guardian. Your ideas about the iron lords could still be tied in with this too. So this is my take on what I think the future(and past) of Destiny could(should?) hold. It is kind of long, but fairly straight to the point I think. Maybe the Traveler has been looking for a race that would be strong enough to defeat the HIve. The Eliksni might not have been strong enough, so the Traveler left to search for something even stronger and found us. Of course, it was still rude of the Traveler to not at least send out escape pods or something. Or perhaps leaving them was it's way of trying to protect the Eliksni. The Darkness is mostly after the Traveler after all, so it ups and leaves saying "Ketch Me If You Can!" Then the Hive pursue. The Traveler finds us and gives us our Golden age, trying to strengthen us. When the Darkness arrives, it sees that we are strong enough and stays. After the dust settles, it sends out the Ghosts to collect and revive all of those who fought and died to fight the darkness, because they were worthy of the light. Maybe it tried to flee again to protect us, but the War Mind did shoot it down. After the dust settled in this scenario, the Traveler senses that humans survived and realized that they were the ones that it had traveled so far to find, so it sends out the Ghosts to give all those who fought and died a second chance. The House Kings Eliksni might have found a shard from the Traveler. They believe we destroyed it, which may or may not be true, but since they probably think of the Traveler as their god (All the servitors might be designed based on the Traveler), they want vengeance. So in this up coming DLC or a future game (Speculation), maybe the Kings try to attack us again like most people think. By the end of this set of events, in a Raid perhaps, we fight the King's Kell. When we kill him, the hypothetical shard of the Traveler suddenly appears and begins flashing. Before we defeated the Kell, this shard was shrouded in a veil of Darkness like the one we found on the Moon, but this veil was created by the King's desire for revenge. Once we defeated the Kell, that shard became pure. So after it shows up and starts flashing, it revives the Kell, and spreads Light through the fallen in the area, purifying their minds. The shard shows us all some things making the Fallen aware that we are not the enemy, but that we Guardians are the key to defeating the Darkness. The shard also shows us Guardians that the Eliksni could be a strong Ally to help us in our fight. The Guardian becomes the Kell of Kells (maybe the speaker tries to take that title since he thinks he is the orb whisperer, and this plays into some of the D2 story with the speaker turning bad). The Eliksni now are able to become guardians. Destiny 2 coming soon. Of course, there would be more end game content, maybe a mission where we play as an Eliksni of some sort, but actually being able to create an Eliksni Guardian would be saved for a new game since they are the enemy for most of this one. The end game content could have several missions where we go and recruit the Fallen. We could help them fight off some of the other enemies, and at the end of the missions, the King's Kell would drop in to tell the fallen that our Guardian is the Kell of Kells. Also, in the beginning of this new DLC, when the King's launch their attack, Zavala could end up dead, and Shaxx (maybe I'm thinking of Saladin) could take his spot. This could tie into the "Rise of Iron" title that may or may not be the next DLC

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