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Edited by SchoolOfGonzo: 3/31/2016 2:07:11 AM
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Seriously, Bungie, you can't ignore these posts any longer.

A large portion of the posts in the feedback section are asking for optional matchmaking on all activities, in particular for raids. I did notice that Cosmo has recently responded to one of these posts acknowledging that it is the most requested change by the community. How can you continue to ignore this? Cosmo responding to posts is not a response, it's an acknowledgement. Your reasoning in this past about how the experience would not be great is no longer valid. Everyone would be aware of the pitfalls when selecting to matchmake for a raid and if they weren't then they would soon find out. I have always hated having to advertise on forums like some kind of lonely heart for people to play with. I end up with randoms who may or may not conform to the things I have asked for, pretty much what would happen if I used in game matchmaking. Or even worse, not conforming the the requirements of those who are higher level with better weapons. Your response to this in the past (remember 'must have gally'?) nerf the damn gally! You now have a community that has built up around your game comprising of players, websites, forums, and potential 3rd party apps, it is there and willing to play but your failure to address certain requests is damaging. I understand that optional matchmaking will have a detrimental effect of the LFG sites that have grown over the past 18 months but they are not, and should not, be central to the experience. I do not understand why I should have to be taken away from the game world to find people to play with. I really only play content that offers matchmaking now. I get sick of running trials bounties because every time someone leaves it's back to the forums. It is tedious so I don't do it. No reason to log in on a weekend anymore. And raids, I just don't bother. It's not worth the time or effort. So that is two major pieces of endgame content that I don't play in a game I have sunk a lot of time and money into (£125 and 600+ hours). If there was matchmaking on raids and trials then that would be a hell of a lot more hours. Really, at this point, it just looks like you are trying to put more barriers in the way of players to get the gear that will get them to the level cap. In the next update you have matchmaking on one PoE mode to help players get to level 320 so they can then go on to forums to find people to play a harder version to hit max level. This is a joke. I think you do your community a disservice by assuming all of them would be AFK, without mic, unable to work together just because they were matched by choice through an in game system. My experience of forums is that people there can be all of those things too. So it is no better or worse just tedious and frustrating. This is more an issue of will than skill. You know how to implements it. You will have had the discussions and theorised how it would be done. You may even have a test version of it running. You can talk about the ongoing conversation between you and the community all day but unless you act on this all that talk will be just that; talk. Listen to your community and act on the voice as it shouts loudly into the forum void: OPTIONAL MATCHMAKING ON ALL ACTIVITIES! Edit: this has been top trending for a while no and shows little sign of slowing. I just wanted to recap what has been said so far as there is a lot! As a rough calculation around 80% commenting agree with the idea of OMM and the rest disagree. There have been some very constructive comments and views made by both. The most prominent argument against is that it would have a detrimental affect on players ability to find teams on lfg as more people would be using OMM instead of lfg. A solid argument really that I acknowledged in the original post but does highlight that OMM would be well used. The second most common argument against is the quality of the players you would be matched with, I.e. Going AFK, no mic, etc. The counter to this has been that not every player is like that and for the most part would want to complete at least a portion of the content. The truth is that any implementation of OMM would not be perfect and would require work but it is better than not having it at all. I want to thank everyone, regardless of stand point, for commenting on this post and adding to the argument. Even the guy who thinks my view does not carry weight because I have only been playing for over 600 hours :)

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  • Did I mention I have no Mol?

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  • Bumpity bump bump

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    • Bump.

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    • Ignored

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      • They can and they most likely will

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      • I'd love it. They may have to tone down the complexity of the raids but honestly I'd be fine with that.

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      • Back for a bump.

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      • Oh yea bump

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      • Edited by scooty-bby: 3/31/2016 11:48:24 AM
        A lot of people seem to be forgetting the OPTIONAL part of optional matchmaking. Some people are saying 'but if its matchmaking you have problems with AFK and no mic etc'. Then just dont match make! You can still use lfg sites. OPTIONAL.

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        • I'm not against optional matchmaking but I gave it another try today in the division for the challenge mode and I got kicked 3 times before we started the match. So you can't say I sucked and I got kicked. The leaders just kicked me. I'll add I was able to successfully complete a challenge before using OMM but it's not always a good experience.

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        • bump

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        • Might as well change the title, we will keep bumping daily and they will keep ignoring it.

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          • On the advice of KnightsXB am tempted to change the title to, 'Cosmo, seriously just acknowledge.' :)

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          • Edited by harrymfa: 4/1/2016 11:32:31 AM
            You don't understand. The real reason they don't want matchmaking is marketing. It gives people the impression that the challenges in the game are so unique that you shouldn't form a team by just pressing a button. It's all bullshit, but it has indeed made a lot of people feel like special snowflakes, and those are the hardcore players sticking around. Bungie can't get rid of one of its best marketing tools, specially after having it for so long. What would happen when people ultimately find out it was bullshit all along. At this point, you'll never see it because they're trying to save face.

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            • Edited by MLGNikamenos: 4/1/2016 4:09:26 PM
              Totally Bump, but i don't get why everyone says Optional, i mean for crucible their is matchmaking, but yet you can bring your fire team of 3 or whatever in, sooooooo yeah, for raids and stuff it would be the same thing just filling in the extra spots with random people

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              • They can and will.

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              • Matchmaking is a must I have tried to do the Kings fall raid got to the sisters and the 3 team members rage quit or leave to someone else party to do orix so mad that to do you have to go to the forum to ask someone to join to help so I can finish the dame raid so I would like and option in the game menu to turn on matchmaking on so when I doing the raid I have someone quit the matchmaking grabs a player and there the raid can be done

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              • It's been 18 months. Wanna bet they can't ignore you?

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              • Bump

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              • As by reading your first paragraph I didn't read the rest because you contradicted yourself. You stated that bungie ignores these forum posts, but you also stated that Cozmo replied to a post. What? That means that bungie is listening you fool and they always have been from the start. Because bungie employees don't respond to posts doesn't mean that they don't read them. Just remember what company this is and they don't take their fans suggestions lightly.

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                • Bungie has been clear that they think matchmaking for end game activities will harm their game. Whether that is right or wrong it is their opinion. I am sure they did not make the decision lightly and they have considered every point ever brought up in these forums. Bungie has every right to do or not do what ever they want since it is their game. We as consumers have the choice play the game as presented or find another game. Lots of people say this is a cop out, but it true in a capitalistic model.

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                  • [quote]The truth is that any implementation of OMM would not be perfect and would require work but it is better than not having it at all. [/quote] So let's implement something that will inherently have issues just because a few people are too lazy to find teammates?

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                    • Hey they aren't ignoring you. It takes time and money to implement. You gotta ask yourself, is there even enough money on the table for this? But yeah there should be OPTIONAL MM. Here is my 2 cent how I THINK OMM should work; - Guardians should be matched with folks of relative light level. Meaning 303 get matched with 307 (max) or 299 (min). - If a players leaves for ANY reason, he/she is replaced with a guardian. - if two or more friends are MM, then the game takes into account of the low level light and finds more guardians of relatively the same low level light. - It is impossible to lock OMM fire teams and there is no fireteam leader. I understand some folks want the reward with little or no effort. Hence they wanna be carried on the backs of other guardians. Some of your veteran friends can help with that. I know I've been carried and done some carrying myself. Nothing wrong that. So if you have 4 vets carrying you and you choose OMM, why shouldn't it be you and another low light who needs to carried? This way a lot of people will have a chance of beating the raid. Now if said Low-light is indeed horrible and your team decides to leave, well guess what? They get matched with another low-light because hey they already have one low light. And if they don't like that, then guess what again? We have LFG to fix that. This is what I believe an option should look like. Not everyone would agree with this. But the idea is if 5 friends of high light wanna recruit a random, they easily get one from OMM. I play a lot of strikes sometimes with low level lights. It can be an absolute nightmare even with some high level lights. But the ratio is significantly lower with higher level lights. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. oMM should be in trials as well, but make a fire team specific reward in the form of an emblem or shader and or emote. OMM teams do not get the emblem or shader that LFG gets. And for those who complete a milestone say 150+ raid completion, deserve a medal or emblem, shader but no weapon or armor. It doesn't mean they are better than everyone else, they should be compensated for taking pleasure in an activity. Heck even strikes and POE should get milestone rewards.

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                      • Bump

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                      • In regards to this hot topic, I've said all I can or want to say but I have to wonder that maybe in the next live stream they might announce some ease on matchmaking with certain things. The stream is entirely dedicated to "sandbox and PvP" so you might get what you want for all I know. Just remember, be careful what you wish for.

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                      • It wouldn't work

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