[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog For starters they are not genetically enhanced. They are selected for a spesific genetic marker. Secondly that marker could be anything. Millions of humans have the possability of having it. They arent so special. [/quote] Wow..... Did you even read the books, yes they were Genetically enhanced (EDIT: I am sorry, they were not Genetically enhanced, they were physically Augmented to artificially introduce hormones that make them quickly and painfully go through puberty and give them better reaction times,), but they were also selected for that genetic marker, but millions don't have it, they have to be specific age, 5-7, and considering only 250 fit in that criteria, out of about 10+ planets each with billions of inhabitants, makes them all pretty special. On topic. Considering Spartans have a distinct advantage, their MJOLNIR armor systems, In my opinion: one on one combat, Spartan Without their Mjolnir, one on one, Spartan A squad of ODSTs (5) vs one Spartan, Spartan A squad of ODSTs (5) vs one unarmored Spartan, 50/50 Every single ODST that ever lived (? probably alot) vs. Every single Spartan II that ever lived, (about 75), I don't know about this one, the ODSTs have a distinct numerical advantage so i'd give it to the ODSTs Every single ODST that ever lived vs Every single Spartan that ever lived, I, II, and III, (About unknown number probably 50+75+900= approximately 1025) I would probably give this one to the Spartans. Up for discussion. In an Awesomesauce contest. ODST. As you can see by my opinion, an Odst can only win by having a large numerical advantage over the Spartans. [Edited on 10.10.2009 9:18 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx Over 9000 people came with this idea earlier... ;)[/quote] Its over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, i would like to think that the spartans would win. i mean even if they were carrying the same weapons that the ODST's are carrying. "But Why Do You Say That You Unknown First Time Forum Poster That Posted His First Comment On This Topic!?" you might ask? Well, that is because i have Halo 3:ODST and Halo 3 and i know for a fact that ODST's (unlike Spartans) Do not have a shield. they are mearly protected by the armor which reduces the impact of the bullets/plasma, and they must heal by finding healthpacks. Where as the Spartans on the other hand, They have a rechargable Forcefield around them (Also known as a Shield). they can get shot and get into the battle very quickly. so in simple and vehicle terms... Spartans: Walking Tanks. ODST's: Walking...ummm..err Ghosts? And that is why i think that Spartans would win a battle. and i tried it on Halo Wars too, a spartan annhialated an ODST squad within a matter of seconds. [Edited on 10.10.2009 9:52 AM PDT]

Really when you think about it, the ODST just have bigger sacks! It takes some serious marbles to be put in similar situations as John 117 (MC) and not have the Spartan Armor and sheild and NO DUAL WIELD.

Spartan wins.

[quote] Really when you think about it, the ODST just have bigger sacks! It takes some serious marbles to be put in similar situations as John 117 (MC) and not have the Spartan Armor and sheild and NO DUAL WIELD.[/quote] That is why they are dropped in Squads.... 5 ODST's. each with a speciality. [Edited on 10.10.2009 10:27 AM PDT]

exactly, b/c it takes 5 ODST to do the work one Spartan can do in his sleep. but I still like the ODST.

Obviously SPARTANS would pwn ODSTs.

if you have read the books, you would know that master chief killed two ODSTs and critically injured two more in hand to hand combat..... so Spartans.

Yeah but ODST's are a bit more realistic then Spartans, oh well, it's just a game. It really doesn't matter.

If you gave an ODST mjolnir armor he would die, Spartans can use the suit because they are geneticly enhanced. Remember what happened to that marine that tested the armor? Spartans are far superior to ODSTs as soldiers in every way feasible.

Spartans are far superior in both combat and awesomeness. ODSTs can't do a flip over an elite and shoot it in the neck.

Think about it, everyone is using MC as an example, he is the only one who survived and he is the best of the best. BATTLE DAWN said who would win a spartan in general of an ODST. The other 72 spartans died by the covenenat or the augmentation, therefore showing they aren't all that tough. It would be a close and could go either way.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog People have constantly said that they were geneticly manipulated yet provide no proof of such actions. [/quote] Well, if you want to get technical then no. They were not [i]genetically[/i] modified, but they were given various steroids and other physically enhancing drugs and modifications. So, even outside their "fancy armor", they are still faster and stronger than the average ODST. Moreover, they graduated from training [i]before[/i] the Mjolnir armor was completed. They are not incapable without their armor. Another thing: Their training was completely different than the ODSTs. ODSTs are shock troopers. Spartans were trained in intrusion and guerrilla tactics. Completely different training.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx But still. Spartans > ODST's. Spartans have WAY more combat training, WAY better equipment, Shields, Higher stamina, more melee power. Everything is better on them, thats why they're advanced infantry...[/quote] ODSTs are regular Marine infantry that request to be put into the ODST training program. They already have actual combat experience under their belts before they even begin their ODST training. [u][i][b]Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST.[/b][/i][/u] The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity. But to prevent hard feelings about my opinion I give you this: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3jFTzhdZF4&feature=channel]Link[/url][/quote] You have to be kidding. If you have read the books you would know that Spartans have been training for much longer than ODSTs and do have MUCH more skill because of advanced reflexes, this, that, yada yada. It's not even a fair comparison to compare the two. [Edited on 10.10.2009 11:23 AM PDT]

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Depends what weapon theyre carrying...

Of course a battle!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog[/quote] ODST's lose. /thread [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Augmentation_Procedures]This is just to prove you wrong on the genetic enhancement thing[/url] Now for some examples [b]1.Capable of running at speeds exceeding 55 KPH (34.155 MPH). Faster in MJOLNER armor.[/b] The fastest speed of a human to date is 26.7 MPH. That was an Olympic sprinter. [b]2. Capable of lifting three times their body weight, which is double the normal lifting power of an average human due to increased muscle density.[/b] I remember reading that Master Chief was 250kg. Which is 550lbs. Which means he can lift 750kg or 1550 lbs or .75 tons. [b]3. Reaction times of 20 milliseconds. Significantly faster in combat situations or with A.I. assistance.[/b] Average human reaction time is 150 to 300 ms. A Spartans reaction time is 20 ms. [Edited on 10.10.2009 12:24 PM PDT]

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It already happened in The Fall of Reach and Master Chief beat the -blam!- out of four ODST's by himself. There is no question, shame on you for a terrible topic. Spartans, all the time, every time. [Edited on 10.10.2009 12:37 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Chrislol The point is, the Spartan whooped on the ODST. John 117 wears armour that weighs 900 pounds and can STILL jump higher than an ODST and run fast. Imagine if you were to take that armour off of him, then how fast could he run and how high could he jump? But, only to be fair, you take away the VISR from and ODST and place him against a Spartan with now armour, the clear winner would still be a Spartan. [/quote] No point in arguing with the blind. However their armor doesnt weigh 900 pounds. Average weight of an augmented male Spartan-II outside of armor is about 300-350 pounds. Total weight inside the armor ~1000 pounds. Difference of 700-600 pounds. And the armor enhances their speed slightly as well as their jumping abilities due to mechanical assistance. With out the armor they are significantly weaker and are unable to sustain higher speeds. Learn about the armor before posting on it. It is clearly described on pages 114 and 115 of The Fall of Reach. As that is the Mark IV version a slightly updated spec description is provided on between pages 249 and 253 of The Fall of Reach. That describes the added shield systems as well as the function of the AI memory-processor super-conductor material. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 2672 I CHECKED THE PAGE AND YOU LIED!!!!! Oh and before I forget check spelling before submitting your post, ok? Thank youu!!<3[/quote] 1: My spelling for the most part is just fine. It is perfectly readable. If you want to nitpick then I could tell you to learn how to spell as the word "you" doesn't have two "u"'s in it. Get over it. 2: I did not lie. I will quote: [b][u]The Fall of Reach[/u][/b] page 73, paragraph 11: ""Your Spartans can run at bursts of up to fifty-five KPH," he explained." Note the word "[b][u]burst[/u][/b]" in that sentence. It means they dont run at a constant 55KPH. Think of Olympic sprinters. They do a short burst of 20MPH to make it to the finish line first, they cant sustain that over distance. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 2672 Spartan>ODST But Luv em both!! [/quote] Inside armor a Spartan is superior, outside I say an ODST is superior in a one on one fight. However I still prefer ODSTs as they are able to accomplish the same objectives with out augmentations or super advanced "fancy armor". [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 2672 Check that page you referenced boi! could you kick a person and make him land 8ft away? Iunno...that seems unlikely[/quote] Depends on what he is wearing, if it is a standing kick and where I kick the person. Physicly it is more than possable for me to do such a thing. It is possable for most humans actually. Given the set of conditions I have laid out in this paragraph. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nextar_ A12 Wow..... Did you even read the books, yes they were Genetically enhanced (EDIT: I am sorry, they were not Genetically enhanced, they were physically Augmented to artificially introduce hormones that make them quickly and painfully go through puberty and give them better reaction times,)[/quote] Finally somebody gets it. Genetic manipulation involves physicly rewriting the DNA strands that make up a humans base structure. That changes them on a fundimental level. As this does not happen to the Spartan-IIs they can not have been geneticly manipulated. Spartan-IIIs however could fall into that catagory with the new chemicals introduced into their augmentation process. However that is a mutation, not a manipulation. Close but not there yet. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nextar_ A12 , but they were also selected for that genetic marker, but millions don't have it, they have to be specific age, 5-7, and considering only 250 fit in that criteria, out of about 10+ planets each with billions of inhabitants, makes them all pretty special.[/quote] Yes they do have to be in a certain age group. However we are talking about a Galactic Sector wide empire which composes of up to 800 colonies (by wars end) and atleast one hundred billion citizens. Odds are you are going to find a few million people who have that spesific pronounced genetic marker, but doing such a study takes time and money. Both of which the Spartan-II program did not have. 1: Can you think of the amount of money it would take to survey every human on planet Earth for a single genetic marker? We currently have over 6.75 [b][u]billion[/u][/b] humans living on Earth right now. 500+ years in the future dont you think the population of humans would rise???? In any case lets say it took $5 dollers to do this genetic survey (includes equipement, personel and locations for the sake of argument) per person. Thats 5 8 6.75 billion. That comes out to be $33.75 billion. Let me stretch that number out for you: 33,750,000,000 dollers. Thats alot of money going into just researching 6.75 billion people. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nextar_ A12 On topic. Considering Spartans have a distinct advantage, their MJOLNIR armor systems, In my opinion: one on one combat, Spartan Without their Mjolnir, one on one, Spartan A squad of ODSTs (5) vs one Spartan, Spartan A squad of ODSTs (5) vs one unarmored Spartan, 50/50[/quote] Those are influenced by random chance. Yes I will take a Spartan-II any day in there armor as they are superior. Out side of armor a Spartan is just as vunerable as an ODST to physical punishment. Their bones may be tougher but their organs are just as soft as ever. You can crush the kidneys, stop the heart, blind them, choke them, break their spinal cord, numb limbs...ect. With knowledge against their foes an ODST can adapt to higher speeds, strength...ect. I wont bother with your other two opinions as I really dont need to get into that. But decent opinions. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Nextar_ A12 As you can see by my opinion, an Odst can only win by having a large numerical advantage over the Spartans. [/quote] Yes I do see that, however I disagree with it. I have provided evidence and opinions to back myself up. Have given reasonable theories for training backgrounds and realistic training methods. If you disagree with me fine, but dont call me a lier (this is to all of you). I havent lied once on this entire thread, as well as for every thread I have made. Keep your accusations to yourselves next time.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Runies [quote] Really when you think about it, the ODST just have bigger sacks! It takes some serious marbles to be put in similar situations as John 117 (MC) and not have the Spartan Armor and sheild and NO DUAL WIELD.[/quote] That is why they are dropped in Squads.... 5 ODST's. each with a speciality. [/quote] If you didnt notice, with the exception of Grey Team the entire Spartan-II unit worked in teams of 5 or more on their operations, with the exception of the events on the orbital station above Reach, the events of Halo CE (no other Spartans there...) and of Halo 2-3. Even though there were 3 other Spartan-IIs who were on Earth during the events of Halo 2. For the vast majority of the war they operated almost exactly the same as any ODSTs squad. They just didnt use the drop pods.

spartans are deffinantly a better soldier but then again there is only one surviving spartan but plenty of odsts

Dude OP, seriously? SERIOUSLY? You really wanna do this? A Spartan, any Spartan, go ahead. Pick one that successfully graduated the Spatan II program and then pick any ODST that you know of. Hell, pick three if youd like. The ODST's can be in full armour and the Spartan can be in civillian clothes for all I care. The Spartan will kick the living f.uck out of those ODSTs. The only way they might win is with guns. . . .and they'd have to catch the Spatan off gaurd to even accomplish that. Spartans>ODSTs Spartans were already genetically better from the start. The kids chosen for the Spartan II program were basically "genetically perfect". They started at age 6 (5 for some I believe) and went through training for god knows how many years. Then they went through the agumentations. This enhanced the Spartans even more. They are faster and stronger than every ODST out there and also, smarter than most, if not all of them. Able to think tactically under pressure and f.uck s.hit up. If you can't understand after this that Spartans could massacre any ODST or even a group of them, you should just go beat yourself over the head with your power box. Either you are retarded or you are just trolling like an idiot.

Spartans would destroy ODSTs. It is a given, it was already proven.