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Edited by Astral Centipede: 11/5/2015 6:22:29 AM
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The Books of Sorrow, Oryx, and the failure of Destiny's storytelling

EDIT: made a cult https://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Detail/1320598 Prior to learning about the Books of Sorrow, I just saw Oryx as some generic evil dark lord without much dimension, and I saw the Hive in a similarly simplistic way. This is because of the poor storytelling and characterization that still persists in Destiny, even with The Taken King's improvements in this aspect. After learning them from the Books of Sorrow, I see Oryx as more of an intellectual, and a fascinating figure. I now want to reject the Traveler's light, master the Sword Logic, make myself sharp, and help the universe achieve it's final perfect shape. For those who haven't unlocked the full Books of Sorrow or would rather to listen here is the audio version: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh48jdKsL30]Part 1[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C7PFvhKSQo]Part 2[/url] -Explains where the Hive came from, and how they came to be what they are. Their original planet crashed into a gas giant called Fundament, and they lived on pieces floating on the liquid hydrogen mantle. -Explains how in their quest to take back their kingdom from a usurper and stop a world-ending event, Oryx (formerly female before taking the "king morph") and his sisters used an alien ship to dive into the core where they found the worms. The worms were trapped by a being called the leviathan--a servant of the Traveler who was keeping the worms prisoner. -Explains how they formed a symbiosis by ingesting the worms to become immortal, and other effects of such a union. -Explains the the Hive's motive and the philosophy they learned from the worm gods (and rejection of the Traveler). They believe in a very extreme version of survival of the fittest, and they eradicate any life they find (and they found a lot) not out of malice, but out of a desire to free the universe from any form of weakness. To the Hive, if you continue on existing, then you deserve to exist, but if die, it is because you were weak and deserved it. They're helping the universe take it's final perfect eternal shape where only strength is left. -There is also the Sword Logic, and it is that philosophy of of extreme survival of the fittest, but has some metaphysical implications when the powers granted by the worms are involved. One example of this involves cutting through space to create portals of travel; Xivu Arath (Oryx's knight sister) was the first to discover this technique with her Sword Logic. -Very powerful members of the Hive do not simply die; their minds create a universe called a "throne world," where they go when they die (like Crota's raid location), and the way to truly kill them is to kill them there. In the throne worlds, the Sword Logic is physical law, and by killing things, you gain their strength, and can achieve godhood. Example: once, Oryx and his sisters were in a serious risk of being wiped out during one of their wars against another empire, so the sisters had Oryx kill them so that he can gain their power, and then used that power to kill a worm god (Akka) to then take the power he needed to turn the tides of war (actually how he became The Taken King). -Worms feed on the defining aspect of your personality. Oryx's feeds on his inquisitiveness, Xivu Arath's (knight sister) feeds on her violence and strength, and Savathûn's (smart wizard sister) feeds on her cunning. By performing acts related relating to his sisters' defining traits, he actually brought them back to life. He waged a bloody war, allowing Xivu Arath to rise from the blood of the slain and be reborn because Xivu Arath is war. By tricking his enemies into a trap, Oryx's cunning allowed his sister Savathûn to come back to life since Savathûn is cunning. Theoretically, Oryx could be brought back to life if his sisters (or someone else with the Sword Logic powerful enough) did an act of discovery or inquisitiveness large enough. -The more you feed your worm, the more hungry it becomes, and ultimately it is unsustainable. At a certain point there will be no way to feed your worm enough to satisfy it, and it will kill you. Oryx came up with a great solution of tithe/taxing which passes energy up the chain of command to feed higher ranking hive. -Oryx not only talked the talk, but he walked the walk. Anyone was allowed to challenge him in court. His philosophy applied to himself also; if he loses, he knows it's because he deserves to lose. -My absolute favorite thing about the Books of Sorrow is how it details the beautiful familial relationship between Oryx, Savathûn, Xivu Arath, and even Crota and Oryx's twin daughters (who are damn geniuses, they came up with so much cool stuff). They have this competitive relationship where they constantly try to kill each other (Sword Logic/survival of the fittest), but at the same time they truly love each other. I have some excerpts from the Books of Sorrow Grimoire cards that illustrate this perfectly. XXII Verse 3:2 — The High War Now in this time of diaspora there was a war between AURYX and SAVATHÛN and XIVU ARATH. Brother Auryx, said SAVATHÛN, do not forgive my betrayal. Instead, take vengeance upon me for what I did at the dry moon! And AURYX made war on her, in worship of the Deep. Between them stood XIVU ARATH saying, stop, or I will kill you, war is mine and I am strongest. This was how they worshipped. For twenty thousand years they fought across the moons and they fought in the abyssal plains and lightning palaces of each other's sword spaces. And they killed each other again and again, so that they could practice death. Such was their love. At last the many moons came to many worlds and it was time to go to war on life. AURYX said, I shall establish a court, and whoever comes into this court may challenge me. My court will be the High War. It will be a killing ground and a school of the sword logic we have learned from our gods. SAVATHÛN thought this was a great idea. She made a court called the High Coven. XIVU ARATH said, the world is my court, wherever there is war. XXXV Verse 4:5 — This Love Is War Xivu upon Oryx — Uttered by Xivu Arath — Sibling of Oryx — [...] RESURRECTION. Savathûn and I conspired to strand Oryx on his expedition. But I secretly believe that I will be stronger with Oryx to war against. Thus I describe him. A DESCRIPTION OF ORYX. When Oryx looks upon you, you feel that you may vanish if he looks away. The crest of Oryx’s skull is as long as an arm. In the course of its life, a thought moves from one end to the other. Upon his crest I have painted a line in my blood, so that he will remember me. Each of Oryx’s fangs has the precision of a finger and the acuity of an eye. Although he was born at the bottom of the universe, and taught to burrow, Oryx has grown wings. The light of wildfire shines through them. Oryx teaches but he will not be taught. Oryx’s body is corded with strength. His sinews and his muscles are as strong as his children, and his children are the strength of him. Oryx wears a raiment of worm silk, made from the caul of gods. The voice of Oryx may cause two different numbers to become equal. Oryx my Brother is the bravest thing I know. Upon Fundament he learned that we were the natural prey of the universe, the most frail and desperate of things. He thought about this carefully and he found a way to fix it. He made us strong. He will lead us into eternity. Oryx my Brother loves me and this love is war. -Other interesting Grimoire cards from the book of sorrows I find to be very interesting for understanding Oryx. XXIII Verse 3:3 — fire without fuel [...] I feel joy, and sorrow. I feel them as titanic things, because I am larger than my body, my mind is now a cosmos of its own. I know more joy and more anguish than the entire Qugu race could ever experience. Sorrow, because we have killed so much (eighteen species this century alone), and joy for the same reason. Joy that we have put down these blights. Scoured them away and left the universe clean, ready to move towards its final shape. We are a wind of progress. Ripping parasites from the material world — for if they were not parasites, we would be unable to kill them, and they would still exist. And what is that final shape? It is a fire without fuel, burning forever, killing death, asking a question that is its own answer, entirely itself. That is what we must become. My worm grows fat and hungry. I feed it with whole worlds. My astronomers tell me they can sense the Deep Itself, and that we are conquering our way towards it. I think joy and sorrow will be the same thing soon. Like love and death. XLIV Verse 5:2 — strict proof eternal [...] “I don’t have a strict proof yet, you know.” Savathûn strokes the void with one long claw and space-time groans beneath her touch. “This thing we believe — that we’re liberating the universe by devouring it, that we’re cutting out the rot, that we’re on course to join the final shape — I haven’t found a strict, eternal proof. We might yet be wrong.” Oryx looks at her and for a moment, just a moment, he is nostalgic, he is sentimental. He thinks, imagine the years behind us, the things we’ve done. And yet being old doesn’t feel like a scar, does it? It hasn’t left me dull. I feel alive, alive with you, and every time I step back into this world from my throne I feel like I’m two years old again, at the bottom of the universe, looking up. But he says, “Sister, it’s us. We’re the proof, we the Hive: if we last forever, we prove it, and if something more ruthless conquers us, then the proof is sealed.” She looks back at him with eyes like hot needles. “I like that,” she says. “That’s elegant.” Although of course she has had this thought before. EDIT: Out of space, more here https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/160013190/0/0/1 (scroll all the way down)

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  • Thanks for sharing!!

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    • You do realize sword logic basically says might makes right, right? So you can if you use the travellers light to conquer and win against one like oryx your proving your logic is correct and his is false.

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      • It's really fascinating backstory but the danger of putting it directly into the game is alienating a lot of casual players who don't need or want a more complex storyline. Just in the same way Halo 1 worked, there was an elaborate backstory for those who wanted it but the game itself had a simple focused storyline that didn't dwell on these little details.

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        • Putting in favs. Im very fascinated by grimoires and i ne3d a read n this one

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        • Some reply to me so I can read this later please

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          • Oh great. We got another Dredgen Yor on our hands, people. In retrospect, letting the Guardians looting a Hive Dreadnought for the secrets of the Dark and Deep without any oversight or supervision was an error.

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            • Bump for later plz

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            • Edited by xSiCKxSh0tZ: 10/6/2015 1:16:26 PM
              Id love if they added a guardian library that you visit in a special sector of the tower. It'd be cool to read all the grimoire you collected in game. It'd be neat if there were a bunch of warlocks there walking around and studying. Be a good idea to have social spaces that only certain classes could visit inside of the tower. Wether it be traveling to a place that's right beside the tower from the destinations tab in-game or just requiring a class to walk into a sector of the tower.

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              • Bump for later please

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                • Warlocks: *heavy reading*

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                  • in all honesty i would not mind a massive 2 hour update of nothing but a grimoire patch so we can read in game just imagine this cool little ghost thing you can pull out in the field "hold 'select' for grimoire' and you hold it down and your ghost pulls out a holographic version of the grimoire thats categorized and organized to your liking, you can even still see whats going on around you, your guardian will automatically sit down were ever they are and read with you. you could be interrupted of course, enemies shooting you would pull you out completely, make you pissed off, give you incentive to clear out the room before you read, maybe up on mars your reading on a rock only to close your grimoire and turn around, only to be met with the face-plate of a stunned psion who was reading with you, right over your shoulder. youd look at them and theyd look at you, and then you'd shoot them because its rude to look over someone shoulder. but their inquisitive so you cant blame them, the little buggers are adorable like that. up on the moon your taking a break from the hive killing youve done, so involved in your books of sorrows are you that you dont notice the wizard casually enjoying another volume to your left, your eyes meet and you both blush but perk up when you notice your book choices "is that volume 49?" "rshhhhhhhhhhhh ka vaaaaaaaa, suu sve chuuuuuuun?" "yea 44 mint edition, wanna trade?" "mmmmmmmmmmshnka amuu!" and you guys would read on into the night listening to the cursed thrall moan on, reading together before you both years later realize your feelings for each other and remember that wonderful moment you met up in the hellmouth, your feelings would... sorry been reading to much fifty shaders of grey, anyway the option would be awesome to have at least and the books of sorrow are indeed very awesome, great read for anyone who has unlocked them, still haven't gotten volume 44 back though, wonder if she still remembers me...

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                    • I view him as more of a tragic figure. Still want to kill him/her though.

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                      • Edited by Ghost J34: 10/7/2015 5:13:02 AM
                        If even half of the grimoire was put into the actual game Destiny would be phenomenal. Instead it's just another example of wasted potential.

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                        • The original worm was actually held in a jar by oryx's father. Before he died he would talk to it. The worm started to talk to oryx as well. That's when they found the ship, the needle and dove into the center and found the leviathan. The leviathan told them that they were nothing but the bottom of the food chain. They reject this notion and the worm tempts them with sybiosis. (I'm not trying to be a jerk, just really liked the book of sorrows)

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                          • Sadly none of that matter because its not in the game.

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                          • I'm sorry if I sound scrub like, but is the book of sorrow an actual book you can find on the internet, I've read the lore of kabr, dredgen, etc and I've watched videos YouTube talking about ahamkaras and such but I've never really found the book of sorrow, sorry for my ignorance ^_^

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                            • My question is, having killed Oryx using sword logic in his throne, don't we adapt his might and become godly ourselves???

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                              • I love the book of sorrow where it talks about oryx holding his sword aloft and a single quark splitting on the tip of his sword.

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                              • To be honest if they put this in the actual game and there wasn't a grimoire system, Destiny would probably be one of the better games I've played in a long time.

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                              • Very well written. I love the books of sorrow. I wish they would do something like this for the vex however, as the vex are still my favorite and the most interesting race in my opinion. Hive moved to a close second after reading the books of sorrow.

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                                • Join them and die by the light like all the rest. We are the alpha, they should worship us.

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                                • That is I a very detailed analysis of the Book. I am most delighted to find someone else who understands it. I have a question for you though. This is based upon the Oryx:defeated and few of the other grimore cards. Do you think that the Queen that Eris refers to is in fact Savathûn the witch Queen? My main reasons for suspecting this are that 1. Eris has you kill ALL other hive who could accend to lead the hive (bar Oryx’s siblings who we see no hide nor hair of) 2. It is very much in character for Savathûn to use Eris (and by extension us) as a proxy to remove Oryx from play. 3. It would fit within the sword logic. They could not kill him alone, especially after their tribute was cut by Oryx, but if she uses her cunning to contract a proxy to remove him and all possible successors from power.

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                                  • They where going for a more souls like experience however it's silly that you can't access the cards in game as well as on the app.

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                                  • Fun fact: if you read the 3 Oryx cards, someone is writing to Eris (we can only presume it is Toland based on the content). He speaks of how when a Hive God falls, another will rise. Many believe that Toland will become the new God of the Hive and shift them from killing every race in their path social Darwinist to more neutral.

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