What? You're on drugs Sunbreakers don't have added damage resistance like an Unstoppable FoP. And your bow isn't used for kills it's used for debuffs. If anything needs to be nerfed in crucible it's the Hunter. Everything about them is specially tailored for PvP and that throws off the balance of power in PvP way too much. Hunters don't even really have to aim anything they use your aim assist is ridiculous.

Just saw something. [quote]Not my post, but you people need facts Here are some numbers for you all courtesy of DTR's community statistics I also didn't realize this forum suddenly became somewhere that requires perfect statistical presentation. Super kills (PVP) Hunter Nightstalker 54,549,041 (4.90%) Titan Sunbreaker 30,933,744 (2.78%) Warlock Stormcaller 28,664,865 (2.58%) Grenade kills (PVP) Hunter Nightstalker 31,135,311 (4.11%) Warlock Stormcaller 26,611,954 (3.51%) Titan Sunbreaker 16,019,668 (2.11%) Melee kills (PVP) Warlock Stormcaller 38,775,697 (3.16%) Hunter Nightstalker 32,853,317 (2.68%) Titan Sunbreaker 29,285,716 (2.39%) Sooooooo. You were saying how sunbreakers get sooooooooo many kills with their overpowered hammers yet they still have less super kill then the hunter SUPPORT class. Edit 1. Class breakdown 33.5% warlock with 3% being stormcaller 32.3% titan with 3% being sunbreaker 34.2% hunter with 4% being nightstalker These are updated every 15 minutes by destiny tracker. I didn't collect these. The low percentage is because the subclass percentage is based upon what percentage of tracked games they have been in. Edit 2: actual numbers for classes for you Warlock 1,854,319 Titan 1,786,529 Hunter 1,890,494 source: http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population Edit 3: here are the stats for all subclasses. These have been updated so the numbers should be different from the ones above Super kills (PVP) Hunter Bladedancer 201,044,918 (18.06%) Hunter Gunslinger 199,808,670 (17.95%) Titan Striker 186,291,620 (16.73%) Warlock Sunsinger 152,393,823 (13.69%) Warlock Voidwalker 131,789,812 (11.84%) Titan Defender 124,945,236 (11.22%) Hunter Nightstalker 55,925,202 (5.02%) Titan Sunbreaker 31,783,917 (2.85%) Warlock Stormcaller 29,448,846 (2.64%) Grenades: Warlock Sunsinger 174,401,439 (22.98%) Hunter Bladedancer 121,434,967 (16.00%) Hunter Gunslinger 114,520,912 (15.09%) Warlock Voidwalker 108,105,902 (14.24%) Titan Striker 94,212,758 (12.41%) Titan Defender 70,645,856 (9.31%) Hunter Nightstalker 31,920,719 (4.21%) Warlock Stormcaller 27,326,515 (3.60%) Titan Sunbreaker 16,443,142 (2.17%) Melee: Warlock Sunsinger 284,839,168 (23.19%) Titan Striker 203,237,949 (16.55%) Warlock Voidwalker 177,393,092 (14.44%) Hunter Bladedancer 170,332,624 (13.87%) Titan Defender 153,350,640 (12.49%) Hunter Gunslinger 135,263,513 (11.01%) Warlock Stormcaller 39,855,529 (3.25%) Hunter Nightstalker 33,721,785 (2.75%) Titan Sunbreaker 30,104,721 (2.45%) Edit: [quote]Okay, it seems there's way to many people sticking to the argument, There are more Hunters than Warlocks/Titans therefore they're are going to have more kills. If you agree, then this is for you. These stats were derived from a sizable portion of the population using the most recent statistic. 5.54 million games played as a specific subclass total. Hunter 1,894,406 Warlock 1,858,093 Titan 1,790,357 4% of Titans' and Warlocks' tracked games were played as Sunbreakers and Stormcallers. 5% of the Hunters' tracked games were played as Nightstalkers. Those of you with even a little bit of background in math already start to see a problem here ;) We can conclude that: 92524 games were played as a Nightstalker 75619 games were played as a Stormcaller 71461 games were played as a Sunbreaker And now to put everything on an equal playing field. Super Kills Avg per: Nightstalker - 619 Sunbreaker - 474 Stormcaller - 419 Melee Kills Avg per: Stormcaller - 566 Sunbreaker - 448 Nightstalker - 375 Grenade Kill Avg per: Stormcaller - 387 Nightstalker - 354 Sunbreaker - 245 Total Kills Avg per: Stormcaller - 1372 Nightstalker - 1348 Sunbreaker - 1167 Hmm, would you look a that. Seems like it wouldn't matter if there was an equal amount of Hunters, Warlocks and Titans. Hunters and Warlocks would be neck and neck yet Titans would still come in dead last. I wonder how such an OP subclass ends up with the least amount of kill[/quote][/quote]

Hammer of Sol should be TWEAKED. Not nerfed hard. The damage resistance is simply too much. And the fact that on most pvp maps, the tracking is just too good, but I don't want it to be nerfed. Just damage resistance taken down by say, 20-25%.

Na I would rather keep the hammer of Sol the way it is because we get one good thing and warlock's and also hunters cry about it, this makes up for not having blink you're just bad if you don't know how to counter hammer I'll tell ya.........run and jump it makes is very hard for the hammer to it you especially because It has travel time

imo they shouldnt get any damage resistance. they already got ranged attacks that heal you

Here's the thing. Hunters have amazing perks. Blink strike (that activates from the front), gunslingers trance, shade step, blink, invisibility, chain of woe...the list goes on an on. Every subclass is amazing. Hunters have good supers and good perks. Let's move on to Titans. Striker? Useless Defender? Even more useless Sunbreaker? Cauterize, Melting Point (which is useless in PvP). That's it. Nothing else. We have the longest wait time for a super, and it's the only reason to use Sunbreaker. Everything else is terrible. My KD on my Titan, my main, sucks. Hunter? It's decent. Hunters are proactive. They have perks that they use the whole match, not for maybe 30 seconds of it. Why are Hunters and Titan bickering? Warlocks are the scumbags here. Now let's talk about those firebolt grenades.

Yes... I didn't read the post but if you start with a title like that it's always fair to assume 1. You are butthurt [spoiler]wheres butthurt was he summoned yet?[/spoiler] 2. You are a Hunter 3. One of those two things always coincides with the other

look, go check my stats (all 3) and u can think what u want, but if you can't take out a HoS ur str8 bad. u said it in ur own post bud, ur a weak little piece of trash who can't hold his own in a little kiddie multiplayer game. Heres sum advice kiddo, put in effort (turn up n*ga) and gun down those titan scrubs (majority of pvp player suck) if u suk so hard that your gunplays off just p*ssy out and run away u poor lil hunter. if ur gna complain about sumthing pick a gun, any gun! cuz dats whats killin u da most!

2 tether vs 1 hammer????? What??

I've no scoped a blade dancer with Hereafter. [spoiler]suck it m8, titanmasterclass[/spoiler]

Yes. You are.

Believe Im Dope is the last of the butthurt generals. He is the architect of this salty thread's wakening. He'll spawn countless comments to feed his will. As long as he lives... the threat of toxic forum cancer's return will always haunt this world. Track him down, and mute every crybaby that stands in your way.

I 1v1d one headshot with 100 yard and a hawkmoon = dead sunbreaker

Bullshit 1 golden gun shot to kill same as always happen to me 8 times today

The bow shuts me down every time. 1 shot. Every time

Play mayhem with your Titan and you'll see it is not as OP as everyone thinks. Golden Gun on the other hand....

I was expecting at least a yes no poll. I give this thread two stars.

Lol no drawbacks? You do realize that Sunbreakers as a whole aren't the best class for PvP right? All we have going for us in PvP is our super, our grenades are MEH at best compared to the Nightstalker and especially the Stormcaller, our melee will get beaten out by the other two classes easily because they have range on their melee that titans lack as a whole (unless you count shoulder charge), NIGHTSTALKERS CAN ONE SHOT A SUNBREAKER OUT OF HAMMER OF SOL WITH A TETHER AND DON'T TELL ME THEY CAN"T BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME. So how about you quit your belly aching and get gud.