[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TOM T 117 Obviously my action didn't influence the change however it certainly seems to be updating much more frequently than it has in the past; Tartan 118's title also changed yesterday for extra evidence.[/quote] That's odd because I went from Heroic to Member to Honorable Member and I've been stuck here ever since they added the new Titles.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos The trust rating already includes elements of game participation. I'm talking about making titles less about rankings and more about just labels. Right now, there is a hierarchy. What if there wasn't really a hierarchy. What if they were just labels that you got? The current idea that I fancy is that they'd be a user setting - there would be a set of titles that you can earn for various things, and then you'd go to your My Settings page and select which one you want to use. The prefix would still be done in the same way it is now, to differentiate a bit more. Not sure what I'd do about the bar colors, maybe they'd be earned too. You guys think of the forum titles as a ranking system, but that's not how I see their purpose. I see it more for differentiating people on the forums, just like avatars. Nothing really planned here, just thinking out loud. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TOM T 117 [quote]I often wonder if it would be better to link it game participation (probably keeping the prefixes, I like those) and just lose the Heroic/Legendary/Mythic. Maybe as we make more games available we could think up some alternate stuff.[/quote]Linking it to game participation is a direction I would not like to see the system take. One immediate issue I can see is people regarding these titles much as they do with the Spartan vs Elite scenario. I think the titles should stay related to forum participation and on site activity rather than off site activity, it just complicates the affair. The current system is trust rating based hence elitism is less likely to spawn (as those with higher trust ratings should know better), I fail to see how this could be controlled on a system based off site without trust ratings still being heavily weighted. I wouldn't mind the removal of bar colours, it makes some posts stand out more than others which, in a community based on equality of members, (we'll ignore the employees for the sake of argument) isn't really ideal so in that sense I wouldn't mind the removal of the heroic/legendary/mythic titles (don't tell Skibur).[/quote][/quote] That's an interesting idea. Personally, I like the current system. It has always seemed to me as a fun little feature to promote good behavior and, as you said, differentiate between users on the forums. However, if you don't think of it as a ranking system but more of a user label, then your suggestion is more in line with a 'user labels' feature, in my humble opinion. I would look forward to something like that being implemented, as long as there is still a variable that is affected by trust. [Edited on 04.02.2009 12:12 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos The trust rating already includes elements of game participation. I'm talking about making titles less about rankings and more about just labels. Right now, there is a hierarchy. What if there wasn't really a hierarchy. What if they were just labels that you got? The current idea that I fancy is that they'd be a user setting - there would be a set of titles that you can earn for various things, and then you'd go to your My Settings page and select which one you want to use. The prefix would still be done in the same way it is now, to differentiate a bit more. Not sure what I'd do about the bar colors, maybe they'd be earned too. You guys think of the forum titles as a ranking system, but that's not how I see their purpose. I see it more for differentiating people on the forums, just like avatars. Nothing really planned here, just thinking out loud.[/quote]I actually really like this idea- I would love to be able to choose my title and bar color out of a set of ones available for accomplishing certain things. Not only that, but it would kill these titles and bars that we have right now... I don't like them and never have. The only thing I can see a problem with is if some title/color bar is rather incredibly harder to gain than any of the others. Then it could possibly turn into a "recon for the forums" situation.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lord Snakie Then it could possibly turn into a "recon for the forums" situation.[/quote] We already have that...*looks at snakie's title bar* I do think Mythic members get a slight preferential treatment. Instead of a ban, they get sent to the basement with Duardo and a stick of butter.

I liked it better when everyone was just a regular member back in 2006. Sure, [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=15804986]I've read all of this[/url], but I don't understand why some members with newer accounts than mine are both higher in base title and prefix title as well. Oh well, maybe I should post longer responses or something.

I heard if you add: LOL, J/K, :), or :-) to the end of your post, you can pretty much say anything you want..... It's all about total contribution I would say. The poster who does great things most of the time and dumb things rarely will have an easier time than the member who is routinely does dumb things or is new. :)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos The trust rating already includes elements of game participation. [/quote] Wait, does this mean if I play Halo 3 more that I'll have a higher rank? *readies Halo 3 disk* It does somewhat come down to how well the moderator knows the member. For instance, if the moderator is familiar with the person and knows that he is a good contributor and does good in the community than he'll be more likely to let a slight infraction slide. While this doesn't always apply to all moderators, it does apply a lot of the time. Whether intentional or unintentional.

Mythic members are given a little leeway, but not because of the title, but because of what the title represents. A mythic member basically means you been here for a while and you're trusted. Is it a bit biased? A little, but there will always be a bias attitude in everything you do.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast It would be interesting to see how conversations would change if the member titles/bars were removed. I believe that a lot of peoples contributions and thoughts are ignored based on their member title. [/quote] Tru Dat. I hate typing a long explanation for something to have it completely ignored, only to have a Mythic come by and post three words and everyone quotes him and listens.

Sounds interesting. Somebody needs to revive that Bungie.net achievement thread. Interchangeable titles do certainly seem much more appealing than the current system, I think the prefix titles could do with a few more additions as well if the heroic/legendary/mythic were to go to make them broader and reward more varied types of behaviour. Perhaps, just as an example one title could link with winning X amount of games without quiting, another could link forum activity and the game, another could link ban history, activity and the game. Certainly an expanded, customisable experience would add purpose and identity to the current system to make it more representative of a user's character and rewarding of good behaviour. I wonder if Bungie have considered linking Bungie.net with the game and vice-versa so that certain armour for example (in future titles) is only obtainable when the account linked has a certain level of activity and trust but relocks when this is lost. I know this would verge on elitism and may spawn immaturity but the beauty of such a system is Bungie could easily reduce trust while reclaiming it would be difficult. With systems such as this people would be more inclined to follow the rules and join and participate because of the advantages of the participation and disadvantages or getting banned. Obviously I have no idea how this could work and there are numerous issues Bungie would have to get around but I'm just throwing ideas into the ball park.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast It would be interesting to see how conversations would change if the member titles/bars were removed. [b]I believe that a lot of peoples contributions and thoughts are ignored based on their member title.[/b] [/quote] Yes, this happens. I have made a few threads in the Halo 3 Forum in the past that just shot down the page with no results. I keep those archived threads of mine saved in case I want to try to reuse that topic again, if the topic still holds.

What makes a good member? Someone who is responsible, who knows the forum rules, etc. I may be wrong, but I don't really think that anyone can become a "higher member" for doing these things. Certain factors go into place, and for further clarification, I really don't know how I am Honorable...Play nice is the only piece of advice I have in mind.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast I believe that a lot of peoples contributions and thoughts are ignored based on their member title.[/quote]Honestly in a way being plain "Member" is my favourite, although Mythic was pretty hawt. The people who respond to you are generally the ones who are likely to actually read what you have to say rather than suck up to a coloured bar. I get by and so do you (I can guarantee that by the time I finish this post another person would have quoted you aside from me). Sure some things get ignored and one would prefer a system fostering equality but in a way having a lower title filters out the suck-ups. [Edited on 04.02.2009 12:50 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Slayer I only ban blue bars. I'm coming for you next, Skib.[/quote] you banned me for 13 days. Anyway, I suggest that you respect the moderators. [Edited on 04.02.2009 12:58 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hitman23db it's all about who you know lol[/quote]That can help. Just like a mythic status because they're well trusted by the mods. And why shouldn't they be. Old members should know the rules by heart from all the time on this site.

Not really. When I was a Legendary Member I was banned for 3 days for 'incorrect forum copping'. :)

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Papa Rich [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] YahwehFreak4evr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos The trust rating already includes elements of game participation. [/quote] Wait, does this mean if I play Halo 3 more that I'll have a higher rank? *readies Halo 3 disk* [/quote]I am surprised by this as well...[/quote] I guess the FAQs need to be updated with this information... DUARDO!!!!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MikeNeel Take BB for example (no offence guy) but I remember when he posted a "This is my ___ B.Net birthday, cheers for me" here in the septagon. This would normally get locked, and probably a warning, since it went against the "specific user threads" and generally didn't belong here. However, most of the mods actually posted in the thread with congrats and many more posts. I know for a fact if I made the same thread, I'd get it locked, and while I might not get banned, I'd probably get a "This is not your blog" response. [/quote] None taken. You're right. That type of thread is pretty much against the rules. I did try to add some additional discussion points (IIRC) so it wasn't just "hey look at me, I'm B.net 4 years old!!" However, if the mods had locked it and had sent me a warning, I wouldn't have cared. I know it's within their authority to do it, and I knew that there was a chance by me posting that thread that I could be seen as breaking the rules. That particular thread ran it's course in a short time and I'm pretty sure was locked the next day. However (again IIRC) there was a pretty decent discussion going on about how some members have seen B.net change over their time and some see it staying the same over the same amount of time. So if a rule-breaking thread contributed what I would consider a decent conversation on the forums, is it really that bad? Apparently a good amount of people found the discussion well and good enough to contribute to it up until the point it got locked. I've written a lot of threads here on B.net that have got locked rather quickly (I'm looking at you Saffron) but it hasn't bothered me because the vast majority of the times those threads were in that "gray" area where it's a judgment call for the mods. Sometimes I'd rather them be locked instead of them being diluted by people that don't really understand what I was trying to say. That's fine. I posted; got my point across; and if there's really no discussion left on it, then by all means lock it regardless of whether or not I'm the OP. As has been said countless times, "SPAM is in the eye of beholder" on forums. What some might find mindless-crap (Like Anto's hard-on for the "I like pie" thread) to others are fun discussions. Unlike Achronos, I don't see the Internetz as [i]serious business[/i] ~B.B.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ImTriForceGuy [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Papa Rich [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] YahwehFreak4evr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos The trust rating already includes elements of game participation. [/quote] Wait, does this mean if I play Halo 3 more that I'll have a higher rank? *readies Halo 3 disk* [/quote]I am surprised by this as well...[/quote] I guess the FAQs need to be updated with this information... DUARDO!!!![/quote]Its been there. It always has been.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast It would be interesting to see how conversations would change if the member titles/bars were removed. I believe that a lot of peoples contributions and thoughts are ignored based on their member title. [/quote] Sorry if this ends up being a double post... Don't worry Bob, I ignore you cause of you, not because of your member title. <3 ~B.B.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nubyw00tz Not really. When I was a Legendary Member I was banned for 3 days for 'incorrect forum copping'. :)[/quote] There's a correct way to forum cop?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast It would be interesting to see how conversations would change if the member titles/bars were removed. I believe that a lot of peoples contributions and thoughts are ignored based on their member title. [/quote] I agree. And as much as I try to stay consciously neutral and unbiased, it has an effect at a subconscious level, if nothing else. For instance, if I didn't know how awesome of a Bungie fan you were, I probably wouldn't be replying. ;)

This may sound weird, but I think it comes down to style. If I've seen a user around plenty of times before and I know what they're like (A friendly person, jokester, etc) then chances are that I won't be surprised at what they post. Each member has a style to their posts because of this. Now, if a user that is usually sooper srs starts spamming/making witty, one-liner replies, I'll see them differently. If they're usually witty and take it too far, etc.