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4/2/2009 5:17:14 AM
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Are the moderators more tolerant of the misbehavior of highly ranked member
So, i have recently come out of hiding. Mainly, due to boredom. I have not posted terribly much. However, a friend of mine mentioned me today that I should be banned because he thinks that all of my posts since my re-emergence border on spam. However, he thinks that the reason I have [i]not[/i] been banned is because of my Mythic status.
Now, as I've not come to the forums for quite a long time(to me), I have no idea if this seems to be a plausible, prevalent phenomenon.
What do you think?
EDIT: argh! accursed character limit in the title bar!
[Edited on 04.01.2009 9:20 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Primum Agmen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rampancy I need one mythic member to volunteer themselves to participate in some testing of the "mythix don't get banned when members do" hypothesis.[/quote]Are we talking Mythic member with a clean rap or not here? Set out your test parameters, dammit! If your only difference is in whether or not they're Mythic or not, you have all manner of variables like ban lengths, frequency and how recent they were, join date, and whatever else. Scientific method and empiricism, boy![/quote] I thought a [i]mythic[/i] member would be able to realise that all my methods are strictly empirical. A member and a mythic make the same actions at similar times and we observe who is banned first/at all. SCIENCE, MAN. SCIENCE.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Primum Agmen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rampancy I need one mythic member to volunteer themselves to participate in some testing of the "mythix don't get banned when members do" hypothesis.[/quote]Are we talking Mythic member with a clean rap or not here? Set out your test parameters, dammit! If your only difference is in whether or not they're Mythic or not, you have all manner of variables like ban lengths, frequency and how recent they were, join date, and whatever else. Scientific method and empiricism, boy![/quote]I have an interesting question: Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better. Not sure, could be terrible logic on my part.[/quote] I remember someone saying to me they had never been banned before, and they were Mythic. Damn, I'll have to remember who it was.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better.[/quote]Sorry John, your feeling kinda makes sense, but there are plenty of Mythic Members with no warnings or blacklistings. Including many of the site's admins, Bungie employees, and Forum Ninjas.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better.[/quote]Sorry John, your feeling kinda makes sense, but there are plenty of Mythic Members with no warnings or blacklistings. Including many of the site's admins, Bungie employees, and Forum Ninjas.[/quote] Were you ever banned Foman? I don't ever recall you being banned before. Edited for elaboration [Edited on 04.02.2009 6:00 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history.[/quote]I was never banned or warned until the trust system came in. I was promoted to Mythic when it all settled down, and my first ban (14 days) was while I was Mythic. First warning came a few months later I think. So no, you don't need a history to be Mythicised.
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[i]All[/i] bans are judgement calls. I assume that a ninja always takes the members history into account along with the seriousness of the infraction. So, Mythic members may seem to get more leniency because their history is lot cleaner than the average member.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x Sorry John, your feeling kinda makes sense, but there are plenty of Mythic Members with no warnings or blacklistings. Including many of the site's admins, Bungie employees, and Forum Ninjas.[/quote]Oh yeah! Hah, alright, that's cool then, makes sense to me. >_> <_< It was CAVX's idea in the first place :)
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His disappointment is almost palpable.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rampancy I'd do it myself, but Achronos has realised I'm far too cool to be mythic and has set it up so that I am permanently a member, the coolest rank there is.[/quote] Keep telling yourself that
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I don't think it matters. When i was a legendary member i posted a thread in the wrong forum and got banned. All it did was make me stop caring about member rank and so i started posting what i want when i want.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Primum Agmen [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rampancy I need one mythic member to volunteer themselves to participate in some testing of the "mythix don't get banned when members do" hypothesis.[/quote]Are we talking Mythic member with a clean rap or not here? Set out your test parameters, dammit! If your only difference is in whether or not they're Mythic or not, you have all manner of variables like ban lengths, frequency and how recent they were, join date, and whatever else. Scientific method and empiricism, boy![/quote]I have an interesting question: Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better. Not sure, could be terrible logic on my part.[/quote][i]*Raises hand*[/i] Just kidding, I was banned once back in early '05.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pezz But as soon as they cross the line, just like anyone else, they're gone. [/quote] I guess my question is, why is the line drawn in different places for different members?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pezz But as soon as they cross the line, just like anyone else, they're gone. [/quote] I guess my question is, why is the line drawn in different places for different members? [/quote]Is it?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pezz We were always pretty impartial, or tried our best to be (inb4 snide comment by elmicker or Shai), but it's easier nowadays.[/quote] It's funny because shai's a jumper too.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BadBall3r47 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pezz But as soon as they cross the line, just like anyone else, they're gone. [/quote] I guess my question is, why is the line drawn in different places for different members? [/quote]Is it?[/quote] Apparently. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pezz Most mythic members are long time institutions in the community, they're important to withold the sense of community and they're part of the experience. So that has a bearing sometimes.[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x For me personally, Legendary and Mythic members get more leeway generally -- not necessarily because I know them, but because their member titles are a recognition of a long history of being around, being active, and not getting into trouble with the rules. In other words, if the website's trust rating trusts you enough to give you a legendary or blue bar, then I also trust you to not be the kind of person who intentionally breaks forum rules or simply does not care about them. For small mistakes, this definitely gives Legendary and Mythic members the advantage of having some leeway in their posting. [/quote]
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I just banned an Exalted Mythic for political discussion. On a side note, I will generally give a Mythic a little more leeway than usual, but if it's really against the rules, I'll take action.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] borrowedchief [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better.[/quote]Sorry John, your feeling kinda makes sense, but there are plenty of Mythic Members with no warnings or blacklistings. Including many of the site's admins, Bungie employees, and Forum Ninjas.[/quote] Were you ever banned Foman? I don't ever recall you being banned before. Edited for elaboration[/quote] Oh he was. I remember it quite well. I even remember what it was about. Regardless of Fo's questionable past (teehee) it doesn't define his contribution to the community. Nor does 1 spam post by a Mythic define what they do. I post a lot of times off-topic, to kinda throw a little humor in here and there. But at the same time I'm posting in threads about what I think Optimatch should look like or answering questions when I can. And every now and then I'll get a PM from someone asking about Marathon, and that never makes it to the forum. If a Mythic is continually breaking the rules, I have no doubt that the mods will smite them. It doesn't even have to be a Mythic member either. I've seen long term members being given more deference than some Mythics. And as Pezz said, that's because before we even had these fancy-smancy titles, certain members got leeway because they were well-known positive contributors. ~B.B.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast I guess my question is, why is the line drawn in different places for different members? [/quote]I think I explained my reasoning behind it -- were you unsure about what my reasoning was or in disagreement? [Edited on 04.02.2009 7:56 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elmicker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pezz We were always pretty impartial, or tried our best to be (inb4 snide comment by elmicker or Shai), but it's easier nowadays.[/quote] It's funny because shai's a jumper too.[/quote] But seriously, i jest. The Jumpers were upstanding, pillars of the community. "Well-known positive contributors", if you will.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pezz But as soon as they cross the line, just like anyone else, they're gone. [/quote]I guess my question is, why is the line drawn in different places for different members?[/quote]To my understanding, a user's ban history is a large factor in determining how harsh they will be punished, right? So if the member titles are somewhat of a visual representation of a user's non-recent ban history, then I can see how it would appear that members are being treated differently. Besides bobcast, aren't you against mandatory minimum blacklistings? If it is equality that you are concerned about, then mandatory minimums across the board would be the most equal moderation option.
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I was handed a warning back in January for a blog style post, while being Legendary, but still attained Mythic status for the third time. Another ninja explained to me that there is definitely some leeway with higher members, but I feel that warnings and such should still be considered. I was not upset with the warning (first ever), but I learned something new, even after reading the rules multiple times, it's a learning experience and can be used to assist the newer members.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bobcast I guess my question is, why is the line drawn in different places for different members? [/quote]I think I explained my reasoning behind it -- were you unsure about what my reasoning was or in disagreement?[/quote] No, I understand. Pezz's post was before yours.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better.[/quote]Sorry John, your feeling kinda makes sense, but there are plenty of Mythic Members with no warnings or blacklistings. Including many of the site's admins, Bungie employees, and Forum Ninjas.[/quote] Not including Urk and Duardo :P
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tartan 118 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better.[/quote]Sorry John, your feeling kinda makes sense, but there are plenty of Mythic Members with no warnings or blacklistings. Including many of the site's admins, Bungie employees, and Forum Ninjas.[/quote] Not including Urk and Duardo :P[/quote]Burn? I'm just curious when the negative effect of my ban a few months ago is going to wear off. Jeez, it seems like I've been stuck at Member forever. Funny thing about that ban is that it was in a "nuked" thread, in which the only people that did not get banned were the Mythic and Legendary Members. I, being Heroic at the time, got banned, whereas the moderator (who I'll keep anonymous) banned myself for [i]replying and commenting on the ridiculous post left by a Mythic Member[/i]. That was testament enough to me that the favoritism is strong towards the higher ranks; sometimes for the worst.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tartan 118 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] x Foman123 x [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SonicJohn Are there any Mythic Members who have not been blacklisted or warned? I have a feeling that one of the requirements to reach Mythix is to have some warning/blacklist history. If only for the sake of the persons understanding rules that much better.[/quote]Sorry John, your feeling kinda makes sense, but there are plenty of Mythic Members with no warnings or blacklistings. Including many of the site's admins, Bungie employees, and Forum Ninjas.[/quote] Not including Urk and Duardo :P[/quote]... Each ban was my own doing...except for a warnings a couple years ago
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This is even more support for my plan of keeping my head down until I reach a higher level where I will be able to get away with more stuff ;) lol. Im kidding.
