I have a 2.0 average on all my characters and I'm bad at crucible?

Yeah say that to skilled players who use skilled nerf guns idiot thorn is op 2 shots then dead where as other weapons take longer to kill you need to surprise them for a chance to kill them but how can you say it isn't op it's obviously is

Bit none of the guns will have that stupid hit and run 7 dot. You can't just hit and run.

Everyone that thinks the thorn isn't OP is clearly blind. Sure you can out manoeuvre it with other weapons, but only about two or three. When you go into a match, what do you see? Oh yeah, just about everyone using thorn. Every now and then you'll see a TLW or Red Death, something similar to that, but that's still no diversity. When the auto rifles were nerfed, it took out an entire class from the game practically. That's 25% of the weapons just abandoned. Now you look and hand cannons. Everyone says "oh well look at the ill will and red hand" that's still a hand cannon. Now let's see here, head shots are 85 right? Burn turns that into 120, now add 85 for another shot, you're already dead. Two shots and you're dead, one shot and you're practically dead because you're wounded and people coming around the corner will have no problem taking you out. The fact that it has 5 ticks of 7 damage is OP. They should at least lower it to 5 damage per tick, 3 ticks, that way it could still technically two shot, but they'd have to get a headshot after the burn damage is gone. Now, I think that they should also negate the effect after you're dead, or have it not able to kill you, just leave you with minimal health. That's still pretty powerful, but not as overpowered as it is now. If it wasn't overpowered, you wouldn't see it every crucible match you enter, and people who claim they have skill with it, would also be open to using other weapons, but the using because they like to hide behind a shoot and forget weapon, that anyone can use. By the way, the fact that TrueVanguard told Bungie to take a good hard look at those exotic hand cannons, it was a big hint to say, nerf the weapons already, try and get it right and achieve balance, not a one way fight against those with 20/20.

This has to be satire if this dude is saying the thorn is balanced..

Why does everyone use it then? For me it's a choice between either quitting crucible altogether, or mastering the Thorn. Can I beat thorn? Absolutely, but if I happen to run up against a player who is at my skill level who is using torn, in an effort to counter it I have to use it. I don't want to use HCs. For me there's more to the game than winning or getting kills. I like to play with a variety of weapons. I simply cannot force this on other players, so instead my gameplay becomes one dimensional and based on one weapon. This is simply not good game design, I needs to be addressed in some form. However, if it is a choice between completely ruining the thorn, as in the case of the auto rifles, I would rather see it stay over powered.

You don't have a single guardian linked to your account, you are probably trying to hide a KD ratio. When yours is over 2.0, using scouts, come talk to me. Thorn is OP, I've used it. Takes less than a second to land 2 headshots then hide, and you call that fair? Who's the moron now?

All of you never Ickes that gun up until trials. Put it say and get good