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3/25/2015 1:04:12 AM
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Rasputin, Speaker and Race origins theory. (Long read, be ready)

What involvement did Rasputin have in the collapse? How did the races come about? Is there corruption within the tower? Lets find out. First, lets begin with the races. Human, Awoken and Exo. Humans are simple. We found the traveler, or it found us. We embraced it and had astronomical things come about from it. Triple life spans, unbelievable findings and ungodly technological discoveries. We settled the moon, Mars and Venus, as well as possibly the outer planets too maybe. We created the exos. Bipedal machines used to protect humanity, and also store and record our history. We created the warminds, to run and administer our golden age. Capable of high tech storage and the use of devices and weapons that nothing else could ever properly run. Then, the collapse happened. An enemy we never knew we had invaded our system, and crippled us. Populations, cities, continents decimated. We were crippled. Even the almighty traveler, who sacrificed itself to prevent our annihilation, barely survived. Now it sits silent. Motionless. Without conscious or emotion. It created the ghosts, to seek out the guardians we are today. We made the last city, constructed the tower and used the last of our military knowledge and government rule to establish the vanguard and the consensus. But how did this happen? We had Rasputin. A warmind who could protect us from all threats. Doomsday devices and life ending super weapons were his to control. How could anything have made it past him? My theory, he was shut off. In his cards, he seems to analyze and catalog every second of the point the collapse started. He organizes evacs, safety protocols, etc. But at the end of his cards, he senses something in his systems that shouldn't be. He repeatedly says, STOP! STOP! STOP! Then, another card of his, which appears to be an aircraft carrying a heavy payload of some sort, communes with assuredly a flight coordinating radio operator. Confirming locations and such. Near the end, however, one of the persons involved states, "We all know where he order came from". Meaning what exactly? Initially, I figured Rasputin. Bit then, I thought if Rasputin wanted to bomb a certain location, he could do it at any time from wherever his cyber-self was, any bunker on earth. So why would he have flights carrying weapons to targeted locations? So I ruled him out. The vanguard, wouldn't possibly have the means or clearance to carry out anything of the sort. The consensus would have to approve of it. And not enough rogue humans would've been able to get by with carrying uncleared weapons onboard uncleared flights. The Speaker. He seems to be slightly above all other powers within the tower. His transmissions to guardians seem to have more importance than others. He could have access and authority to clear any activity like those mentioned in the Rasputin cards. How is this relevant? Imagine this. Humans and exos, living a typical time like any other. Then the collapse starts. And suddenly, friendly planes are dropping bombs of some sort onto populated areas. Now this kills the humans, instantly. And the exos, they could've survived. They could've remembered this day in the future. So.... system memory database wiped. Exos don't remember this betrayal. And no humans survive to remember. One exo card suggests an exo using a method of killing himself, and being revived by his ghost, to see the past. What he sees in memories are catastrophic events. Perhaps, the day this could've happened. This isn't saying it was a deliberate killing of our own kind. But more, collateral damage. Bombs dropped on areas where the enemy was located most densely. Even the evacuation ships, which supposedly fled to safer parts of our galaxy. But never made it. Warheads were launched out of atmosphere, towards oncoming enemy ships. And again, collateral. Evac ships are collected in the blasts. And the awoken? Supposedly, they have been, "Touched by the Universe". Yet, their humanoid. Perhaps, the humans who were aboard these ships were caught in mass radiation, as well as unknown materials in deep space. Morphing them. Changing them. Into the Awoken. Maybe some settled where they were created, (The Reef, possibly), and stayed there. Maybe, they remember these events. Which would explain the Queens and reef born awokens hesitance to assist the tower. While the others, unknown to the origin of their creation, drifted to earth. And most of them becoming Earth born Awoken. And Rasputin. Why does he remain silent? Why does he not assist is either? He could remember the day the collapse happenned. When he was rendered useless. When he was unable to protect us, or his "Brothers and Sisters". So, he locks himself out of contact. Preparing himself for his fight against the darkness. He must learn them, learn their weakness. Test their capabilities, boundaries and reactions to his involvements. Now, why would the Speaker commence to doing such a thing? Simple. Corruption. He enjoys his place among humanity. To be important, and have power. If the Traveler departs us one day, he is useless. No Traveler, no need for a Speaker. So he enables the enemy to invade, knowing the Traveler would sacrifice itself. He would know it's actions better than anyone. And nobody would suspect a being of pure light to commit such a heinous act. But, maybe some orders know of his acts. In one of the T.D.B. cards, a conversation between Ikora and Eris takes place. Somewhere along the discussion, Eris suggests she has become like the Speaker, in which Ikora states, "We all have our secrets to keep". But, without concrete evidence, no one would believe the Speaker would attempt anything of the sort. So he retains his seat in the Tower, consulting to his ghosts a bevy of cryptic responses. While everyone is unaware of his possible genocidal actions. Hope you guys enjoy the read, sorry I didn't link any exact dialogue or grimoire cards. The struggle of a low battery laptop. But, please feel free to leave your responses. Lets keep it all appropriate, and respectful. These forums are bad enough, so every little act and response that isn't poisonous to the community is a step in the right direction of a better forum. Also, if anyone reads this and enjoys, or is interested in Destiny lore, theories, or discussions of anything in Destinys backstory, please. Feel free to search the group, Collective of Knowledge, CoK. We have seemingly never ending discussions, and are always welcoming those who would want to join our cause. Thanks again, and hope you have a great night! -Aon Boom-

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  • Well the post was very interesting as it was also informative. I believe that most of our questions going to be uncovered in destiny 2 as we know is going to come out in 2017. Rasputin may awake, traveler awakes, xur might even become included into the storyline and it could be possible that we will get some backround info on the nine and their origins.

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  • Wonderful read Aon.

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  • go to the tower.... take a look at the traveler....he is blown up from the bottom... the traveler didnt sacrifice itself, it tried to flee us and Rasputin stopped it... he says STOP STOP STOP because he sees the traveler beginning to leave us behind, knowing we would have no chance of stopping the darkness without the light he stops the traveler from leaving... Rasputin doesnt trust us is why he lays quite knowing we are being risen from the dead to collect motes of light to heal the traveler then it will either leave us or stay and help with the fight... the hive are the physical presence of the darkness... the hive feeds off the light. the fallen are who the traveler left last... the traveler came to them built them up (like us) in the hope that they will be able to fight off the darkness. when defeat was near the traveler fled to us trying to get a headstart building up the next civilization to hopefully be able to fight off the darkness. now they know wage war against the traveler... the Vex are the Fallen Exos... the Vex are trying to take control of time to see either destroy the traveler before it was ever created... or see to it that it never comes to the fallen... in prelaunch videos you see the fallen and vex working together... which leads me to believe that a house of fallen is trying to help the vex at some point in the game and we have yet to see that... I dont have an educated theory on the cabal because there isnt much back story on them... but my guess is when HOW drops we get a lot of info... the name "awoken" suggests knowledge. hopefully we get to meet some of the exiled former tower factions in the new DLC.... sorry writing has never been my strong suit...but i hope you get the just of what i am trying to say

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    • Look at the card Rasputin 3: You have Yuga Sundown - Yuga is a Hindi concept of a epoch with golden period followed by decline - eventually returning to the cycle. Fenrir Heart - Fenrir is Norse myth of a wolf who will kill Odin during Ragnarok Surtr Drown - Surtr, another Norse Myth, a giant of destructive power who reigns havoc on earth during Ragnarok Volupsa failure - one of the Norse poems that detail Ragnarok All of the references are of Ragnarok or Epochal ends. In the card, Rasputin is shutting himself down and shutting down the other assets. That stop stop stop at the end I don't believe is him talking to someone there - it is essentially programming command to the other assets it's communicating to. Shut down, end program, go offline. Couple this with Rasputin 2: You've just launched the array, and Rasputin has gone back online and activated one of the assets shut down - which he uses to take out Vex and Cabal on Mars. This act is tied in with the Garden Spire and Dust Palace strike. Essentially, those assets that Rasputin shut down in the 3rd grimoire card, he's reactivating in the 2nd.

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      • Edited by XxFatJesusxX: 3/25/2015 8:48:28 PM
        Rasputin's sole objective was to protect the "ARK" a hidden vault that carries humanity's hope for the future. It contains recipes and ingredients to make all kinds of pie.

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        • I don't think I understand the time line. I assume the Traveler took roost on Mars during the Golden Age. How long did the fall take to happen during the collapse? I'd assumed it was weeks or days. Then toward the end of it all when humanity was nearly wiped out she released the ghosts (to open doors) to find guardians. It seems Rasputin was active right at the very beginning and called for the strike as the aliens were invading Earth but before the Traveler took roost over what we call the last city.

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          • Great info. Very interesting to read.

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          • Cool

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          • Really interesting, good work man!

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            • I think I recall the story behind Rasputin being, for the greater good, he had to let some people die to save Earth. I don't think he was ever shut down/compromised by whomever.

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