[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AlmondJoy99 I prefer games where either a casual player and a competitive player can play and they'll both feel at home.. Kind of like Halo 3.[/quote]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] giraff95 I can't comprehend why a company would overlook there biggest audience, the ones that keep buying there product. I sat through E3 this year with very low expectations and it wasn't a surprised that it was a boring, drawn out event that is supposed to be the biggest year of gaming. It was a complete farce of an event. Don't even start on the "big announcements" this year. Sony pushed the play station move more then a failure of a device should have, Nintendo had a solid opening then went down hill, and finally Microsoft pushed games that were ashamed to be a fourth in installment and kinect was as pitiful as ever. Why are video game company's biting the hand that feeds them? Excuse the wall of text as my keyboard is busted. [/quote] Blame Activision, for making noob-friendly games.

You mean....we can't have both competitive and casual?

The casuals are the reason why developers dumb their games down so much. Developers should not be catering to people that need to have their hands held.

Despite what you think, the vocal majority on the internet is actually the sales minority.

I like the idea of opening up to casual gaming, but this (E3) was ridiculous. I'm sick of people who think opening up the audience will ruin games. But if we open it this way, we leave behind those who care about games. We need to satisfy both. Not push aside your dedicated fans.

lol comparing Angry Birds to CoD. [Edited on 06.11.2012 4:25 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] giraff95 I can't comprehend why a company would overlook there biggest audience [...] Why are video game company's biting the hand that feeds them?[/quote] Casual gamers are a far larger audience than the hardcore crowd, and appealing to them is much more profitable. Look at Angry Birds, which has sold [url=http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/05/09/rovios-angry-birds-titles-hit-1-billion-cumulative-downloads/]over 1 billion copies[/url], while the best selling "hardcore" game, Modern Warfare 3, has only solde [url=http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250163/call-of-duty-a-sales-history/]around 26 million copies[/url]. Even more telling is the success of Nintendo compared to its "hardcore" counterparts, Microsoft and Sony. The Wii, which emphasizes casual games to be enjoyed among family members, has [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28seventh_generation%29#Sales_standings]done remarkably better sales-wise than both the PS3 and 360[/url]. You can't deny that the casual audience is much larger than its hardcore counterpart, and will likely continue to have its influence grow in the years to come. [quote]Excuse the wall of text as my keyboard is busted. [/quote] Sorry for nitpicking, but I don't understand the logic of, "My keyboard is broken, so I typed more than I usually do." [/quote] Wow, did you just compare a game that has many editions and is only one dollar to a single game that costs 60 dollars along with the price of playing online? Are you kidding me? [/quote] I did just compare the two. Even with the price of Call of Duty being 60x that of Angry Birds, it has barely made the same amount of money for its developers as Angry Birds once you consider the massive amount of money poured into making Call of Duty, as well as the amount spent on advertising. Meanwhile, Angry Birds was made with a miniscule budget (something that is very appealing to devs), and actually got paid for advertising rights (i.e. Phone/Tablet adds advertising how you could play angry birds on them).

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gorocurt [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AlmondJoy99 I prefer games where either a casual player and a competitive player can play and they'll both feel at home.. Kind of like Halo 3.[/quote] Boom. This.[/quote]

Ok then, play on PC, When I want competion I usually play on mine, when I want fun and casual gameplay I play on consoles.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 Haha, I love people that consider themselves pro at gaming, it is most amusing. Anyone that hasn't been on a top page GB team, participated in an MLG event , or hasn't been nationally ranked in some category of gaming is a casual player. Guess what, tehe, that would be you moron.[/quote] You're stereo typical jock, who bows down and suck MLG's fat sack whenever you get the chance eh? This by far, the most idiotic comment I ever read. Whenever the internet became popular, it showed how many idiots there actually were in the world.[/quote] I'm at awe of your grammar, just kidding. How was that idiotic? Please inform me mister "pro gamer" hahah.[/quote] You said. "Anyone who isn't a hypervitilating gamer is casual." That makes no sense, gamers aren't people who live and breathe video games, they have lives outside of gaming, they just love it, being "good" at a game matters not. You're saying the only hardcore gamers are the ones who are "1337" "pRo XX G@M3R", then you are wrong. [/quote] You still fail in the grammatical field ;) You're a true moron, I'm strictly talking about MLG teams, Top page GB teams , and nationally ranked players, not the random kid in the lobby with " MLGxxxxpro" for their gamertag. I'm strictly talking about teams that travel to MLG tournies, teams such as xGen , instinct, and Darth on CoD, Starcraft II pros. They are hardcore gamers, not people that rage about the game taking a tad bit less skill in a freaking pub match.[/quote] They aren't "Hardcore" gamers, They are "pro" gamers. BIG BIG BIG difference. "Pro" gamers play 1 game and 1 game only. "hardcore" gamers play everything on every system and isn't afraid of a game that has actual depth. Stop talking. This thread isn't about "Pro" gamers. [/quote] Hardcore gamers are just casuals that play a lot and they are want-to-be pros, simple as that.[/quote] Oh, So you're just an idiot, okay. Last time I counted, I had 418 Console games, and 424 games on steam, and I'm not a "Want-to-be pro" nor do I play competitively, But I sure as hell aint a casual, Because I don't mind CHALLENGE in my single player games, and I find CHALLENGE so be FUN. [/quote] Right, keep believing I'm an idiot ;) Tehe, this is most amusing.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xEpicurus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkness TB Don't believe? Visit a place called Gamesloth, or Gamegarage, or any flash site on the net, that can only be played by.... PCs, which are the most casual, but the fact that Battlefield and numerous other jock shooters, means it's hardcore. Oh how uninformed I must be.[/quote] You are stupid, truly. PC has a lot of flash games for people who don't want to buy proper video games, because they don't simply like them, can't afford them or any other reason. PC gaming requires expensive components you know, my gaming PC cost a total of 1200euros without calculating the mouse and gamepad etc. etc. systems. Let's see hardcore PC games, shall we?: WoW Starcraft & Starcraft 2 DotA CS Call of Duty Battlefield Like it or not, these games rule the PC, correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote] [url=http://youtu.be/DRIoHhesNqc]$350, Will run any game better than any console.[/url] [Edited on 06.11.2012 4:03 PM PDT]

As long as I can play with my friends I'm happy. But yea, the good ol' years of gaming are missing.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xEpicurus You are stupid, truly. PC has a lot of flash games for people who don't want to buy proper video games, because they don't simply like them, can't afford them or any other reason. PC gaming requires expensive components you know, my gaming PC cost a total of 1200euros without calculating the mouse and gamepad etc. etc. systems. Let's see [b][u]hardcore[/u][/b] PC games, shall we?: WoW Starcraft & Starcraft 2 DotA CS [b][u]Call of Duty[/u][/b] Battlefield Like it or not, these games rule the PC, correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote] lel [Edited on 06.11.2012 3:59 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkness TB Don't believe? Visit a place called Gamesloth, or Gamegarage, or any flash site on the net, that can only be played by.... PCs, which are the most casual, but the fact that Battlefield and numerous other jock shooters, means it's hardcore. Oh how uninformed I must be.[/quote] You are stupid, truly. PC has a lot of flash games for people who don't want to buy proper video games, because they don't simply like them, can't afford them or any other reason. PC gaming requires expensive components you know, my gaming PC cost a total of 1200euros without calculating the mouse and gamepad etc. etc. systems. Let's see hardcore PC games, shall we?: WoW Starcraft & Starcraft 2 DotA CS Call of Duty Battlefield Like it or not, these games rule the PC, correct me if I'm wrong.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Knux NY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkness TB [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 Haha, I love people that consider themselves pro at gaming, it is most amusing. Anyone that hasn't been on a top page GB team, participated in an MLG event , or hasn't been nationally ranked in some category of gaming is a casual player. Guess what, tehe, that would be you moron.[/quote] You're stereo typical jock, who bows down and suck MLG's fat sack whenever you get the chance eh? This by far, the most idiotic comment I ever read. Whenever the internet became popular, it showed how many idiots there actually were in the world.[/quote] I'm at awe of your grammar, just kidding. How was that idiotic? Please inform me mister "pro gamer" hahah.[/quote] You said. "Anyone who isn't a hypervitilating gamer is casual." That makes no sense, gamers aren't people who live and breathe video games, they have lives outside of gaming, they just love it, being "good" at a game matters not. You're saying the only hardcore gamers are the ones who are "1337" "pRo XX G@M3R", then you are wrong. [/quote] You still fail in the grammatical field ;) You're a true moron, I'm strictly talking about MLG teams, Top page GB teams , and nationally ranked players, not the random kid in the lobby with " MLGxxxxpro" for their gamertag. I'm strictly talking about teams that travel to MLG tournies, teams such as xGen , instinct, and Darth on CoD, Starcraft II pros. They are hardcore gamers, not people that rage about the game taking a tad bit less skill in a freaking pub match.[/quote] They aren't "Hardcore" gamers, They are "pro" gamers. BIG BIG BIG difference. "Pro" gamers play 1 game and 1 game only. "hardcore" gamers play everything on every system and isn't afraid of a game that has actual depth. Stop talking. This thread isn't about "Pro" gamers. [/quote] Hardcore gamers are just casuals that play a lot and they are want-to-be pros, simple as that.[/quote] Oh, So you're just an idiot, okay. Last time I counted, I had 418 Console games, and 424 games on steam, and I'm not a "Want-to-be pro" nor do I play competitively, But I sure as hell aint a casual, Because I don't mind CHALLENGE in my single player games, and I find CHALLENGE so be FUN.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AlmondJoy99 I prefer games where either a casual player and a competitive player can play and they'll both feel at home.. Kind of like Halo 3.[/quote]And this is the best answer you're going to get.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] boomdeyadah [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wikked Navajoe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SecondClass Games are made for fun, man.[/quote]This. Quit hating and just play a game.[/quote]EVERYONE PLAYS FOR FUN[/quote] The only problem is that some people have fun in ways that I don't have fun so I feel compelled to make them have fun like me.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wikked Navajoe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SecondClass Games are made for fun, man.[/quote]This. Quit hating and just play a game.[/quote]EVERYONE PLAYS FOR FUN

lol at Epicurus blaming his BMI on gaming.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xEpicurus You know what? I may be a casual, but I've been "hardcore", you'll grow past this point as well and laugh at your past[/quote] I will never go back to casual. After games like Halo 3 that leave me wanting more it's all I seek in FPS games now. Pure ranked competitive fun. When it comes to multiplayer games I find casual such a bore like Reach provides. I play a lot of single player games but in the end I always return to fps games with that drive to see games made for the competitive crowd over casual.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SecondClass Games are made for fun, man.[/quote]This. Quit hating and just play a game.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xEpicurus Sorry to break it to you, but their biggest audience is the casual gamers. Why do you think developers dumb games down a lot? According to some studies if I can remember correctly, the average gamer is around 30 years old. When you're 30, you most likely have a job, and possibly a family to take care of. Companies know that people will buy their products like a herd of sheep, that's why CoD sells so well, it's in fashion among 14 year old pre-pubescent boys who have apparently had sex with everyone's mothers, and I doubt any of them have ever even seen a -blam!- in real life after they were born. Kinect sells to people with children, kids like hopping around and that stuff, believe it or not, some people might have different opinions to yours. Trust me, casuals are the majority [u][b]everywhere[/u][/b]. Halo, CoD, BF, WoW, these all make no difference. Personally I used to be a "hardcore gamer" (today I laugh at that name, lol, hardcore has no position next to the word gamer"). - I used to be in the 2nd best CoD2&4 team in Finland when I was 10-12. - Then I started playing WoW(BC) and got to level 70 really fast) and raided like hell, and played some PVP here and there, then I got an alt to level 70 as well and got pretty good on it too. Then WotLK came out and I got to 80 on both chars really fast. I later got into the top #10 rogues in the server during the first months, easily. Later I took a break and continued when ICC came out, I quickly geared on it so that I wouldn't be left out of any raids. Then I quit for good. - I used to be pretty good in Halo 3 from when I was 14-15, I had my level 44 from MLG, and I managed well in MLG customs. That was hardcore jazz. When I was 15, I started playing more casually, I bought AC2 and BF:BC2 and played them all the time, I loved both of them and still do. Then I went to high school and everything changed. I started to go out a lot with friends, started to focus on school more, and just didn't have enough time. Nowadays, now that I'm 17, I have had a girlfriend for a while, a bunch of great friends, studies, and political hobbies - I have no time to be a so called "hardcore gamer". I became a casual. I now play games like Skyrim, BF3, Diablo 3, Left4Dead2, AC2, and I play through every new AC that comes out. I play when I can - but I still kick ass, I'm still a nerd though, I'm just not such a tryhard, I play for fun. Those games which I play seldom make me rage, unlike Halos and CoD games which are ludicrous. I maybe play for an average of 5-10h a week during the school year, and 10-20h a week during the vacation. Before it was 5-10h a day during the school year, and 10+h a day during the vacation. During this process my BMI has also fallen 7 points. You know what? I may be a casual, but I've been "hardcore", you'll grow past this point as well and laugh at your past, and laugh at what you say now, and realize that most FPS games suck - CoD after CoD 4 and Halo after Halo 3, 2007 was the last great year for those 2 series. This is all opinions, but it is a solid fact that most gamers are casuals, and that most money which the devs and publishers get is from the casuals. To get the casuals activated, they need to ease the games so that you don't have to waste your life to get good at it - hence the leveling in CoD and BF doesn't take too long, and you can save at any point in RPGs. Just stating serious stuff here.[/quote] ^this. i can relate to this 100% granite i havent gone out as much because i cant drive right now but i can relate to this alot

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Knux NY [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darkness TB [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] colbyrules8 Haha, I love people that consider themselves pro at gaming, it is most amusing. Anyone that hasn't been on a top page GB team, participated in an MLG event , or hasn't been nationally ranked in some category of gaming is a casual player. Guess what, tehe, that would be you moron.[/quote] You're stereo typical jock, who bows down and suck MLG's fat sack whenever you get the chance eh? This by far, the most idiotic comment I ever read. Whenever the internet became popular, it showed how many idiots there actually were in the world.[/quote] I'm at awe of your grammar, just kidding. How was that idiotic? Please inform me mister "pro gamer" hahah.[/quote] You said. "Anyone who isn't a hypervitilating gamer is casual." That makes no sense, gamers aren't people who live and breathe video games, they have lives outside of gaming, they just love it, being "good" at a game matters not. You're saying the only hardcore gamers are the ones who are "1337" "pRo XX G@M3R", then you are wrong. [/quote] You still fail in the grammatical field ;) You're a true moron, I'm strictly talking about MLG teams, Top page GB teams , and nationally ranked players, not the random kid in the lobby with " MLGxxxxpro" for their gamertag. I'm strictly talking about teams that travel to MLG tournies, teams such as xGen , instinct, and Darth on CoD, Starcraft II pros. They are hardcore gamers, not people that rage about the game taking a tad bit less skill in a freaking pub match.[/quote] They aren't "Hardcore" gamers, They are "pro" gamers. BIG BIG BIG difference. "Pro" gamers play 1 game and 1 game only. "hardcore" gamers play everything on every system and isn't afraid of a game that has actual depth. Stop talking. This thread isn't about "Pro" gamers. [/quote] Hardcore gamers are just casuals that play a lot and they are want-to-be pros, simple as that.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mike120593 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] P3P5I So are we past the part of the thread where people point out the completely obvious "well they need moniez!" and on to the part where those same people try to justify this year's E3?[/quote] There's a big difference between justifying the emergence of the focus on casual gaming, and trying to defend the poor excuses for casual gaming shown at E3.[/quote]I only wish the actual positive catering to casual gamers that doesn't destroy the industry wasn't so rare. *waits patiently for game market to crash again like before*

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] omg a bannana lolwat The majority of gamers ARE casual you fool. And if you really want hardcore games switch to PC.[/quote] A good competitive game for the PC hasn't been released in a while.