believe there are some theories that are worth doing like: 1. (Really hard but possible) a team of 6 go through the first part then 3 stay on top of templar (defend confluxes and destroy oracles) while 2 go down, when you kill the templar, remember everything has to be flawless, the 3 go back to the start and hold the 3 vex portals while the 2 proceed to gorgon's labyrinth (undetected and without dying anywhere) as soon as they reach atheon's room, all 5 portals must be held open at the same time. Idk if it should be after defeating atheon (wich is impossible with only 2...unless you're a pro) or before summoning atheon 2. Remember the gate lord mission...? In his grimore card it states that the WARLOCKS believe blah blah blah MIGHT HOLD SECRETS TO OTHER GATES When you start atheon on hard mode fresh run, you should spawn on the grassy field, if you make a right instead of heading to the door of The VoG you should run into enemies where an old station is at and notice they are level 30 (they have no reason to be that level) and as you process through that area you should be in the area where the giant gate lord appears (the mission's request was to obtain his eye to open the black garden) and where the giant gate lord appears....there's a portal to step on. Maybe you need a warlock to stay there while 5 others proceed to defeat atheon and I KNOW BUNGIE WANTS US TO DO SOMETHING AFTER WE DEFEAT ATHEON! there's been 3-4 patches and updates and neither of them fixed our mission accomplished summary after we defeat atheon, we don't finish the mission at all!!! bungie wants us to do something after defeating atheon, and I bet it has to do with thst portal outside the vault and in the gate lord's gate...idea is insane but worth a try 3. Kill 7 gorgons... It is possible... Very very hard... But possible... And maybe the gate will open on the lonley gate in the jump puzzle or maybe a chest will appear on the small xave on the lower left side of the jump puzzle Give your ideas! I want the community to gather for this secret...maybe together we csn put something together :) -Reemu