Okay everyone, this is gonna be a big post.
But lately there has been lots of debate on whether [b] IceBreaker [/b] is better than the [b] Black Hammer [/b] or not.
[b] What do [i] YOU [/i] think? [/b]
Someone posted the following quote, and then there is my reply.
[quote]CHALLENGE:
If you really feel (and I quote) "this is the best sniper out there"
Leave all you special ammo synth. in your vault, take Black Hammer and fire off all rounds till your left with 3.
Now I will have Ice Breaker and will also leave all my special ammo synth. in my vault I will fire off all rounds till I only have 3.
Now we go to a strike mission using only our sniper rifles.....do you see where this is going????
No way it is better than Ice Breaker.[/quote]
[u]This is my reply;[/u]
I like the challenge, but that sortof eliminates part of what is good about the gun.
The fact that it can hold more than one clip at a time...
Here is a challenge for you...?
Take as many synths as you need, I will take a couple, I don't care what we are shooting at, whether it's phogoth or a wall, let's see who can unload more shots within a specific time limit.(I made this challenge only to show that "challenges" can easily be made to favor one side above the other.)
When you made that challenge, you biased it so that the ice breaker would win hands down.
Because let's face it, if we can't pick up ammo AND our gun doesn't regen, we are screwed. Any gun would be.
In your challenge, the ice breaker is best, in my challenge, the BH wins hands down.
It's situational.
Let's say we are fighting the Archon Priest pre-patch(so we can hide under the deck).
If you are under that deck, and you have ice breaker, you can easily knock him down given enough time.
While the BH? If you run out of ammo, you are forced to run out there and pick some up. And if the strike is high enough and you haven't cleared enough mobs, it is very easily to go down.
Ice breaker wins.
Now, new situation.
You are at Hard Atheon because you still haven't gotten the mythic Vex.
Atheon is 1/4th hp and due to some unexpected event, 3 people had just died, now it is only you, a friend, and the relic holder, with 27 seconds of times vengeance, and you are standing on the middle platform.
If you have an IB, you can unload your 6 shits into him and regain 5 more shots until TV is up. 11 shots? Not bad. Will it be enough to down him? Idk.
What if I had the BH in that situation?
Immediately start unloading and never having to reload(or almost never, due to the fact that Atheon is super easy to hit with a sniper), I could probably get at LEAST 4 shots every 3 seconds. And with 27 seconds left, that makes a total of 36 shots. And if BH has the more Impact?
You do the math, which is more damage?
And it doesn't have to be Atheon, any enrage boss is the same (aside from Crota because of his shield). But even on Crota, taking out those knights that spawn in the towers? Could make te difference between the sword holder going down or staying up. Same with hitting the Ogres. There are many other situations where this is helpful.
Other situations where ice breaker is Handy?
There are quite a lot there too!
However, for every one, you either have to be running, or hiding to let the ammo regen.
I love both guns. But I will be using the BH more often because of the fact of freeing up a different exotic for me. But it's personal.
:)
Wow, big post.
[b]What do you guys think?[/b]
[spoiler]I like the BH better. I personally think it is superior to Icebreaker, though that just might be my play style. Also, keep in mind, the BH will become insignificant when IB gets it's next damage upgrade.(next raid) [/spoiler]
[u]EDIT #1[/u]
After you vote, please come in down and defend yourself! And please keep things nice. Debates are good. Calling someone names just because they don't share your opinion benefits no one.
Thanks! :)
[u]EDIT #2[/u]
Many people seem like they think that I am comparing JUST the snipers. Which I am not, I should've better stated that. I think that overall, you can attain better hear combos utilizing the BH rather than the IB. Obviously you aren't going to be using the sniper 100% of the time. I am also taking into account the possible for exotic primaries and exotic heavies. Opening up those possibilities, while still having one, top notch, sniper rifle that performs amazing in situations where you need a sniper.
Again, this is just my opinion! :) thanks for posting everyone.
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Edited by Vardnax: 6/15/2015 12:03:45 AMDepends on the sichooayshin. Though I don't really like Ice Breaker anymore since Xûr sold it 3 times within a few months and I saw so many scrubs running around with it using it in every situation, all the time. This kinda ruined IB for me.
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Black hammer is good for bosses but for prolong sniping ice break is best because of the regenerating ammo.
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Black Hammer is the better boss killer. Ice Breaker is more useful in more situations. Overall, I'd take IB if I could only have one.
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IB has some dumb aim assist in pvp
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Don't really care I don't have BH and I barely use ice breaker, I use efrideets spear
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Icebreaker has kind of became a top tier sniper rifle for crucible due to the special ammo shortage
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"If you have IB, you can unload your 6 shits into him" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Solar burn with juggler on a nightfall = IB. Solar burn or any other situation without juggler = BH. They're both great, and in general I use BH more, but they both have there uses. They're situational like most weapons in this game.
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I honestly haven't used Icebreaker once since I got BH because it means I have ghorn at all times. I'm lazy and hate switching out weapons especially when it's exotics of different classes. BH to a shotgun is all I really need to do in PvE
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It's situational. If you can consistently crit then Black Hammer is best, but if you can't land those crits in the White Nail time frame then go for Icebreaker.
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Depends on what im fighting to use it on tbh.
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I didn't read all of that obviously BUT! Black hammer for bosses IB for everything else
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Nice short story trying to justify the icebreaker. How about this situation; there are two land tanks, I have black hammer and you have icebreaker. My tank is dead in less than a minute, you are charging extra ammo on your icebreaker. I'm making a sandwich, you're charging your icebreaker. I'm eating my sandwich and watching you take potshots.
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Well black hammer does melt Urrox, the flame prince...
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Edited by Jeric: 5/20/2015 1:28:46 PMThe weapons don't make the guardian, little light.
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Black hammer all the way
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I have Ice Breaker. I want Black Hammer.
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I generally run icebreaker, but switch to BH for bosses
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I have both but only my IB is maxed out. But I have been using my BH a little out in the Cosmodrome to see how it works, and it's not too bad.
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Black hammer has higher impact, lower recoil, and unlimited shots for bosses with big crit shots. It isn't even close that black hammer is better. And it let's you wear the gjallahorn as a nice bonus
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Each has its own area it shines in, i like both of the guns
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Each has its own area it shines in, i like both of the guns
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I really only use my black hammer on strike bosses, other than that, my icebreaker is almost always equipped
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Depends if I feel like running an exotic primary or not. And there are certain bosses who always get the black hammer
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I've had the black hammer for about 4 days, ice breaker for months though. I like the black hammer because I was able to use red death on CE hard. Having great legendaries trumps exotics because it gives you options.
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Black Hammer for bosses/mini bosses Ice breaker for multiple enemies. Ex: Sniping during archon priest nightfall, taking out snipers in omnigaul