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Edited by oh ver driive:
10/20/2014 11:30:47 PM
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Do 1 shot kill fusion rifles need a nerf? (Community poll)
Before you officially decide hear me out. I'm not saying nerf the gun to be a 2 shot kill. That might eliminate it's purpose. But the charge time or amount of ammo you have access to or SOMETHING needs to change.
The vex is a fusion rifle which apparently needed a nerf because it had no charge time and a 3-4 shot kill.
The regular 1 shot kill fusion rifles, have nearly the same kill time if not faster.
So we nerfed the hardest fusion rifle to get and allowed the easier ones to get to maintain nearly enough power to be equivalent to a golden gun with a reticle the size of half the screen.
Either lessen the ammo available, increase the charge time, increase the damage drop off over range, or reduce the damage
If you want to talk balance we can jump straight into kill times and this thing is just not balanced in anyway shape or form.
One could literally use a 1 shot kill fusion rifle an entire game and probably have a higher kd than most people.
So, I'm asking for more people to pick up sniper rifles. If you want that kinda power legitimately, get your headshots on point.
I'm not even worried about shotguns. Been in bungie games since day 1 and they always work the same. The range on them is irrelevant because if you know the kid is trying to shotgun you he needs to get close and that's probably the biggest disadvantage in any fire fight ever. The fusion rifle hits mid range 1 shot kills easy. A shotgun would need 2 or 3 minimum at the close to mid range area while the player is walking towards you. Fusion rifle is 1 shot mid range and run away.
Just don't think a 1 shot kill in your pocket at all times as a special weapon with unlimited ammo is exactly "balanced"
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I don't need pvp advice lol
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If it fires 6 shots per round why does it only use 1 bullet from the ammo capacity ?
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It should be more like the Spartan Laser if it's gonna be a one shot kill.
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I would say that it isn't needed, most people who use the FR know the pre charge, and when you get hit by it once you remember the person that shot you. That being said, minor adjustments can be made to it like the spread and range but I would still keep it a 1 shot dropper.
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Edited by Jelly Magnet: 10/21/2014 12:45:53 PMYes. Although I feel that the overuse of fusion rifles, and before that shotguns, points to a bigger problem in the game. The netcode is pretty bad. There's an unacceptable level of kill trading and late hit/kill registrations. When games have this kind of latency a lot of players will gravitate to one hit kill weapons, or weapons with really large magazine capacities, to compensate for the lag they experience.
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Plan C and Pocket Infinity LOLOLOLOL [spoiler]-blam!- those guns and yes I have the PI[/spoiler]
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That moment you come home from work and see your old thread atb the top
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2 RepliesI just have a problem with their range. Should only be one shot kill a LITTLE further than shotty range.
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5 RepliesFusoin rifles, have to big of a range which is an issue, ways to fix would be make it so you could overcharge it.... people literally run around charging the rifle and stopping before it starts to eliminate the charge time, so just making it get hot from over charging would be a good idea..... and then make it so the bullets shooting out spread at a faster rate, ether one would be a good idea
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You need a few things to balance fusion rifles. Even implementing one of these would be enough. 1. Range limitations. Past a certain distance the damage needs to drop off. This is a concept Bungie doesn't seem to understand since the only weapon this ever seems to apply to is shotguns and that is more based on the moderate pellet spread more than reduced damage. 2. Dealing with pre-charging. People should not be taking a shortcut around the charge time by repeatedly spooling up so they can fire on a hair trigger. The weapon was given a charge time for a reason, being able to fire it that quickly is one of the major factors that makes it an unbalanced weapon. You need to either a) add in an overheating mechanic of some sort where after X partial charges the weapon locks up for a few seconds or b) make it so that a partial charge actually fires a reduced damage shot so people are wasting ammo. 3. Bullet spread. Right now fusion rifles only really have a really noticeable spread caused by the kickback like you see with a pulse rifle. This means that without even aiming you're almost always guaranteed to have all of your shot hit as long as you aim low enough. What Fusion rifles need is to have more of a pellet based spread more akin to shotguns so that at a close to mid range you can land all or most of the parts of each shot but at long distances you have to deal not only with portions of a shot straying upward but to either side. Then again you could probably take a big chunk of the problem out of fusion rifles and shotguns if special ammo wasn't as special as a participation trophy at a little league game and people actually had to ration it and plan when it's the best time to use it instead of just spraying it in every direction when they see someone.
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Man I swear this one of the most nerfing wanting gaming community I been in swear
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shots, rounds and bullets are all null terms when talking about a sci fi weapon that is based loosly around the same principals that a star uses to produce energy.....
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Idc what they do in pvp (doesn't everyone have access to FR's anyway?) BUT they better not -blam!- with the FR's in pve. They're my fav weapon in pve
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You are all going to ruin this game as its already started. just cause you have no skill using those weapons you have to try punish the players that can look at the mythoclast you had work your arse off get that but ppl like you -blam!-ed it. Its getting a joke. all you kids need play something else if you cant handle it or you WILL ruin this game as its already started!!!
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Edited by Fox: 10/21/2014 2:59:37 AMExcuse me while I skip your wall of text. It's late over here. While sometimes I get the feeling that the fusion rifles need a nerf (they can be painfully annoying), ultimately I would say no. I wouldn't ask for something to be nerfed just because I didn't like it or simply b/c I got killed by it. They're not my style (I'm a mid to long range guy), but they're not overwhelmingly effective. Its a useful device for its range. The weapons were intended to be useful for different play styles and against certain play styles. Just because its highly effective against yours doesn't mean it should be nerfed. You should just adapt or accept it. Its like campers versus rushers. If your play style is rushing or running and gunning, of course you'll be unhappy with someone who camps. Its a perfect counter. They can be avoided pretty easily on most maps and the shotgun is just as lethal and frustrating at close range. Unless I'm caught in a tough spot they aren't a constant problem, just annoying when you're doing really well or really bad (throwing salt on the wound with that one-hit KO).
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3 RepliesIf you see a fusion rifle, strafe left or right. They'll miss most of their shot. Running towards it or away doesn't help (since fusion rifles kick upwards) and jumping isn't that helpful unless you time it just right. I'm not the greatest PVP player. I'm just saying that what makes me miss fusion shots the most is when someone catches on and starts strafing.
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3 RepliesStop stop stop stop. Enough of this. The game is how to was meant to be. Stop ruining it
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If you miss with a fusion rifle your dead! How in the world will you get that second charge and takeout your opponent. The other person must be extremely bad for you to suvive this battle. One shots are a must. Think about it. What if all you had was a fusion rifle. Wouldnt you want it to be better???
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1 ReplyNext Bungie weekly update: This is Destiny. If you don't like our game play something else. There will be no further nerfs or buffs to the game.
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1 ReplyI swear you people compete to see who can get something nerfed next.
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How many of those 32% that said yes are shotgun users? Because shotgun users are the main victims of fusion rifles. Why? because they just charge on towards you. Thats the easiest possible scenario for FRs. You deserve to die for charging some one who is facing you.
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If I am stupid enough to run at someone I hear charging a fusion rifle I deserved to die in one shot, If I am very close to someone and die in one shot that is fine. But if am a mid range and die in one shot then yea it does but that hasn't happened so no fusion rifles don't need a nerf.
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No most fusion are 1 shot kills the problem would be you, you just obviously cant use one and its ppl like you that are making the game absolute shit keep complaining about weapons when really its the lack of skill by the person using them.
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You kill me with half a magazine, I kill you with one fusion bolt. Difference? Reliability, as the fusion rifle tends to miss and doesn't always kill their prey. You know, I never wanted ANY gun to be nerfed, I was having a hella good time with all the gun classes, I even used my Scout Rifle before the Auto Rifle nerf and the Scout Rifle buff.
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Considering shotguns own rumble, skirmish, and salvage, I am ok with getting blasted by a guy with a fusion rifle.
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this is why we cant have nice things people complain and destroy the game why don't we nefl everything so it does 1 damage like really people u can use the weapon too ... for exp now it is not even worth doing raid hardmode because people complained and whined about the vex raid weapon now its garbage what do u think of that - the best gun in the game for the most difficult mission is now useless USELESS thanks to people complaining ,,,,, ive got an idea for u people USE THE GUN U WANT NEFT OR GET GOOD EITHER OR would be nice
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1 ReplyIt's a longer range shotgun with a charge time. If you miss one pellet from the rifle, it doesn't kill them. No nerf is needed. Please, stop crying.
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Only needs a nerf when im sniped with them from 100 meters away
