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12/2/2012 9:41:51 PM
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Is She really dead? (spoilers)
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I mean cortana's demise on halo4. Is she really dead?. I know you guys have better understanding of the halo universe than me.
Do you tuhink she will ever comeback?
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Hopefully not. Though I'd love to see how Master Chief would interact with a replacement Cortana.
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If Chief is supposed to somehow be linked to ancient humanity or the Didact (any of them), there's a quite good chance that he'll be hearing someone elses voice/s than Cortana's...
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Probably. Cortana is part of the Librarian's plan, given that she jumps into the Didact's helmet when binding him, it's possible she'll spend her time in slipspace trying to make the Didact see reason and join humanity.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Probably. Cortana is part of the Librarian's plan, given that she jumps into the Didact's helmet when binding him, it's possible she'll spend her time in slipspace trying to make the Didact see reason and join humanity.[/quote] I like that but i feel like it wouldn't fit in with his speech at the end but i really like that thought. That adds up with her saying "most of me is down there" which i didn't get since [i]The Mantles Approach[/i] was destroyed. But at the same time i highly dislike the idea of dead characters being brought back since that defeats them dying in the first place. Halo 5 and 6 without cortana would be incredibly hard to pull off since we (and chief) are so use to working with an AI. One of the many reasons halo 3's plot sucked so bad is because you were without cortana for the entire game without any other interaction to make up for that. hell, the entire game is pretty much about getting cortana back and then once you get her for that single level the game is over. Even though i will be going around saying she is dead because that is all we have. I don't think 343I would actually kill cortana once she actual became a meta-stable AI not to mention we [b]just[/b] got her back relativity speaking. Though as i said i don't support the whole idea of bringing back dead characters.
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I pretty much agree, Cortana dying does essentially 2 things: 1) Beautifully reinforces the thematic direction Halo 4 took with the whole conflict of accepting mortality, and the separation of machine and man - the ultimate discovery by John that his humanity, as brought out by Cortana, is his greatest strength. The "tools" Halsey supplied to "maintain that efficiency" portraying Halsey as the 'creator' or 'preserver', much like the Librarian. 2) Sets up Halo 5 and 6 to be meh on a character front for the Chief. Despite how effective Halo 4's themes were, Cortana is ESSENTIAL in John's story. Halo 5 and 6 just wouldn't be the same without her, much like how you pointed out that Halo 3 was pretty poor on this particular front. Killing off Cortana has 343i backed into a corner in a crumbling building, if they let her live they backtrack an essential thematic element of the Halo series, but if they keep her dead I feel that the characterisation of John would suffer. I see Cortsna as an extension of John himself, if she dies, a part of him is truly gone - that hole can be filled only by melancholy writing.
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In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.
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@ajw Cortana dying is a first step. It isn't impossible for Chief to develop as a character without her. In fact I'd wager that's part of why she had to go, so he can develop as a human without the anchor. He can no longer have the "training wheels" to mature into a full human. He needs to learn to be one on his own. Her death is that revelation. My guess is Lasky will fill that void. ^^The Composer exploded, and Cortana never touched the device to begin with. She went up with the ship. [Edited on 12.02.2012 4:32 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terren_117 In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.[/quote] This dude is right, the composer turns organic into AI, such as humans into knights. But it also turns AI's (like i dunno Cortana) into organics. I think we may see an organic Cortana before the end of halo 6.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terren_117 In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.[/quote] This dude is right, the composer turns organic into AI, such as humans into knights. But it also turns AI's (like i dunno Cortana) into organics. I think we may see an organic Cortana before the end of halo 6.[/quote] "Our attempts to return them to organic forms, created only abominations." Composer could never return AI's to biological.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grey101 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Probably. Cortana is part of the Librarian's plan, given that she jumps into the Didact's helmet when binding him, it's possible she'll spend her time in slipspace trying to make the Didact see reason and join humanity.[/quote] I like that but i feel like it wouldn't fit in with his speech at the end but i really like that thought. That adds up with her saying "most of me is down there" which i didn't get since [i]The Mantles Approach[/i] was destroyed. But at the same time i highly dislike the idea of dead characters being brought back since that defeats them dying in the first place. Halo 5 and 6 without cortana would be incredibly hard to pull off since we (and chief) are so use to working with an AI. One of the many reasons halo 3's plot sucked so bad is because you were without cortana for the entire game without any other interaction to make up for that. hell, the entire game is pretty much about getting cortana back and then once you get her for that single level the game is over. Even though i will be going around saying she is dead because that is all we have. I don't think 343I would actually kill cortana once she actual became a meta-stable AI not to mention we [b]just[/b] got her back relativity speaking. Though as i said i don't support the whole idea of bringing back dead characters.[/quote]Now Now, we do have Roland, athought he would most likely become bored and kill the chief for entertainement, and then he would become bored again.
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There is hope, poor girl. first johnson and now this :(
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 2) Sets up Halo 5 and 6 to be meh on a character front for the Chief. Despite how effective Halo 4's themes were, Cortana is ESSENTIAL in John's story. Halo 5 and 6 just wouldn't be the same without her, much like how you pointed out that Halo 3 was pretty poor on this particular front. Killing off Cortana has 343i backed into a corner in a crumbling building, if they let her live they backtrack an essential thematic element of the Halo series, but if they keep her dead I feel that the characterisation of John would suffer. I see Cortsna as an extension of John himself, if she dies, a part of him is truly gone - that hole can be filled only by melancholy writing.[/quote] Actually, I believe Halo 5 and 6 could be even more interesting. To see a new Cortana and how he develops towards her, or see the struggle between the two sides of Chief- should he go track down Cortana, or does he remain by humanity's side in the face of the conflict?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terren_117 In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.[/quote] It's be a cheapass move to bring her back after such an eventful moment (even if I was laughing the whole time). Besides, the Composer is flawed. It couldn't bring anybody back from digitization in any form other than 'abominations' according to the Librarian.
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Can't say for sure either way yet.
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No. (Possible spoilers) I do believe she could be alive through those rampant copies of herself she sent into the Forerunner computers, and they could've become metastable since she wasn't rampant when talking to John, but I don't know. She could've also been composed as a whole and with her super computer knowledge gained control of some Forerunner technologies like the hardlight bridge.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Killing off Cortana has 343i backed into a corner in a crumbling building, if they let her live they backtrack an essential thematic element of the Halo series, but if they keep her dead I feel that the characterisation of John would suffer. I see Cortsna as an extension of John himself, if she dies, a part of him is truly gone - that hole can be filled only by melancholy writing.[/quote] I entirely disagree. Facing a future without THAT cortana opens up a huge window onto the chief that you can open even further if Halsey supplies her with ANOTHER one. Obviously I'm saying there's a third option here, our cortana could be dead but given her place in the grand scheme of things a replacement AI would certainly be in order, a fresh mind working with a practically ancient soldier whose gone through hell since the last time he fought to save the species. Yes a part of John's gone but it would really help develop his character beyond that seeing him cope with the new, and incredibly painful, situation of an AI that isn't [I]her[/I], not entirely at least. As far as the human experience goes it's probably some of the richest territory to write in (dealing with and moving on after death, see Children of Men at the very least) and I hope 343 takes the opportunity and doesn't back down with [I]another[/I] campaign where the underlying theme is "Go get Cortana." That was thoroughly played out in Halo 3 and 343 can't do much more besides re-write a couple of scenes and play up the bad-guy voice a bit more. [Edited on 12.02.2012 7:50 PM PST]
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Cortana is a series staple so I really doubt she will stay dead, but if she does I hope that the effect on chief is the start of seeing the chief as the person behind the armor.
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I don't think she's dead. At all. I think she's in slipspace. However, I don't believe she'll be in Halo 5. And if she is, it'll be towards the end. John will not only 'Reclaim' his humanity in the trilogy but also Cortana, and mankinds' reclaiming of the mantle. I think Blue Team might be in H5, though, filling a void. And I think many of the S4s will perish in this trilogy.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach Hopefully not. Though I'd love to see how Master Chief would interact with a replacement Cortana.[/quote] It actually wouldn't make any sense to give him a replacement AI, he was only given Cortana as part of a plan to capture a Prophet before the fall of Reach. Then Reach gets glassed, and the Autumn escapes to Halo. She was to important of an AI to be wiped (As per the Cole Protocol) and the Chief keeps her until after they escape Installation 00. I am curious to see how the Chief will go on without her. Though, I am sure they'll bring her back in Halo 5 or Halo 6.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terren_117 In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.[/quote] This dude is right, the composer turns organic into AI, such as humans into knights. But it also turns AI's (like i dunno Cortana) into organics. I think we may see an organic Cortana before the end of halo 6.[/quote] "Our attempts to return them to organic forms, created only abominations." Composer could never return AI's to biological.[/quote] Yes because that can't be fixed right???
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wikked Navajoe they could've become metastable[/quote] Metastability is only a theory at this point.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terren_117 In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.[/quote] This dude is right, the composer turns organic into AI, such as humans into knights. But it also turns AI's (like i dunno Cortana) into organics. I think we may see an organic Cortana before the end of halo 6.[/quote] "Our attempts to return them to organic forms, created only abominations." Composer could never return AI's to biological.[/quote] Yes because that can't be fixed right???[/quote] The forerunners couldn't fix it. What the hell can the UNSC do?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ferrrari [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Terren_117 In my personal opinion, I do not believe she is dead. There is no way they would kill her off. That along with the dual-nature of the Composer, there is a high probability in my mind that she is alive.[/quote] This dude is right, the composer turns organic into AI, such as humans into knights. But it also turns AI's (like i dunno Cortana) into organics. I think we may see an organic Cortana before the end of halo 6.[/quote] "Our attempts to return them to organic forms, created only abominations." Composer could never return AI's to biological.[/quote] Yes because that can't be fixed right???[/quote] Yes, it probably could, if only the Compser wasn't a cloud debre floating in Earth orbit. I'm sure she'll come back. But not organically.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wikked Navajoe they could've become metastable[/quote] Metastability is only a theory at this point.[/quote] Not true. Mendicant Bias transcended rampancy and became metastable.
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Expect an even weaker story in H5 and 6. Know knowing 343 and microsoft, theyll probably bring her back somehow. Also, how the hell did chief escape anyway in the end? [Edited on 12.03.2012 6:56 PM PST]
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My theory of what's going to happen started at the beginning when Halsey mentions the thing about "providing the tools to maintain that stability." I think that what's going to happen is this: In Halo 5, Master Chief will get a new AI; however, because of what Cortana said during the seventh mission of H4: "you know it's not going to be me right? it'll look like me...," I believe that Master Chief will realize that he doesn't want just any AI, he wants Cortana back. Realizing that Cortana can never be replaced, Chief will reject his new AI and receive intel from some other source. However, because his "efficiency" will slowly be declining due to his lack of an AI, he will become weaker or homicidal. (I honestly don't know which. Spartans are trained killers and due to the massive amounts of testings that were performed on them, they may not be able to stay sane without an AI; however, I do not believe the new Spartans have AI's. But, other Spartans are not the Chief, he is one of a kind so his becoming insane or homicidal could be justified, although only loosely, in this way. There is also the point that he may get depressed leading to inefficiency in combat.) So that's Chief's breakdown, which will occur in 5. At the end of 5, Chief will receive knowledge of or hear Cortana somehow and realize that he needs to search for her. Halo 6 will occur with the UNSC not approving of Chief going out searching for Cortana, leading to him going solo without an AI or any other support. This will, in turn, lead to his overall decline until he either finds Cortana or has to make some sort of sacrifice in order to defeat the new enemy. In 5 and 6 it will be Chief fighting against time and his decline in order to defeat whatever enemy is also searching for Cortana. (Or the enemy already has Cortana and is using her for some nefarious deed. Cortana may even willingly help the enemy because of her breakdown; part of her will resist of course, but the other parts may be evil at their core.) The end.
