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5/19/2011 1:26:42 AM
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Alas Firefox is now Unuseable on B.net for me
Almost every other link I click leads me to an error. This is not due to a problem with Firefox itself. This only started a few months ago. I've gone through Firefox 3.5, 3.6, 4, and Nightly.
But this only happens on this website. Clearing cache and everything else does nothing.
I've seen at least a dozen different errors. New tabs refuse to load if I have another B.net tab open. Pages never load, or a blank white page displaying "Encoding Error" pops up, or just random characters and symbols everywhere on the page. Numerous refreshing before the page works.
Nobody else seems to have this problem, but I've changed no settings except the browser version and am using a year-old version of Firefox now to no avail. I posted this in the bugs sticky about a month ago but far as I know got no response.
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Maybe it's just you. FF works just fine for me on Bnet.
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That's a pretty big opps, but at least they haven't been collecting information via wifi. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bapabooiee The clause that implied Google owned anything and everything you did in their browser was included completely by accident. [/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos I mean, it is your business if you want to use a browser that, in its [Google Chrome's] first iteration before everyone noticed, had a EULA that declared ownership of everything you typed into it. Now they "just" have an ultra-google toolbar in it. Do no evil, right? Sure. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, I guess.[/quote] Actually, that was a [url=http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-chrome-license-agreement/]mistake[/url]. Google likes to keep things simple, so one of the things they try to do (as the above link explains) is use a universal ToS. The clause that implied Google owned anything and everything you did in their browser was included completely by accident. So, it wasn't promptly removed after launch because they tried to sneak it in without users noticing - it was because it wasn't meant to be there in the first place.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce[/quote] Finally! Someone who agrees with me.
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After heeding the Overlords advice and installing IE9 I've encountered a rather annoying bug. The site, in general seems fine, but when I go to click my friends icon on the top right of the page nothing happens, and eventually it just locks up the rest of Bnet for me, forcing me to Ctrl-Alt-Del. I've cleared my cache and re-installed IE9 but to no avail.
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Occasionally, I've had an issue where part the page loads, sometimes up to right in the middle of a post, and then it just stops. It might be in the same vein of the issues you're having, OP. It's helped me to run the minimum of add-ons that I can.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deathcon 5 Also, Ars Technica has their own statistics that reflect that of the technologically inclined.[/quote]I see. According to them, Chrome takes about 28% of the technologically inclined people. Usually, those people get involved in web forums like Bungie.net The B.netters that actually use this website for something other thank Weekly Updates and Halo stats are technologically inclined.
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Most websites publish the net applications statistics, so the Ars link is current as of March 2011. Also, Ars Technica has their own statistics that reflect that of the technologically inclined.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nightspark [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] komark [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chubbz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce.[/quote] Pffft. Prove it.[/quote]Hmm, not sure I agree with you there Achronos. In either case, you can't deny that Chrome now holds a considerable share in the browser market. Moving to about 25% in it's 3 years of being available. That number goes up even higher when you take into account all the people that know a little more about computer's than most. In every single poll thread I've seen here in Bungie in the past year, Chrome has consistently won out the competitors. I think you should start prioritizing Chrome when you work on bungie.net. [/quote] Yeah...I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but you're wrong. [url=http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/04/web-browser-market-share-modern-browser-edition.ars] Chrome is at 11.5%[/url][/quote]We all get our numbers from different websites. That website is just as fallible as any other. did you not read the rest of the conversation or are you one of those guys that reads half of it and jumps to conclusions?
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If you're having problems uninstalling FF use [url=http://download.cnet.com/Revo-Uninstaller/3000-2096_4-10687648.html?tag=main;productListing]Revo.[/url] It does a pretty good job and it's free.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] komark [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chubbz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce.[/quote] Pffft. Prove it.[/quote]Hmm, not sure I agree with you there Achronos. In either case, you can't deny that Chrome now holds a considerable share in the browser market. Moving to about 25% in it's 3 years of being available. That number goes up even higher when you take into account all the people that know a little more about computer's than most. In every single poll thread I've seen here in Bungie in the past year, Chrome has consistently won out the competitors. I think you should start prioritizing Chrome when you work on bungie.net. [/quote] Yeah...I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but you're wrong. [url=http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/04/web-browser-market-share-modern-browser-edition.ars] Chrome is at 11.5%[/url]
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Ummm. You cleared cache, did you completely remove every last trace of FF off your computer? Sometimes a bug will occur where some pages will cease to load. Perform a manual remove and use CC cleaner to completely remove it. Then reinstall with the latest version. If that doesn't work, then i really have no clue.
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I am using Firefox just fine maybe somethings wrong with your computer? Even with some scripts active. [Edited on 05.19.2011 9:27 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] necare Take off your tinfoil hat. Chrome isn't bad because of an EULA or because of the company behind it and their mantra. Chrome is bad because it doesn't render webpages correctly and efficiently for certain websites. Sure, it's rocket fast for 95% of web content - but not very fast for 99% like firefox or pretty-darn-fast for 100% like IE.[/quote] Umm, no, chrome doesn't render webpages correctly because the web developers don't put heavy influence on it. I have visited tons of websites, and they all say, "This website is optimized for Firefox or IE browsers. If you're on a different browser, you may experience difficulties" I have the newest versions of the 5 main browsers: FF, IE, Chrome, Safari, and Opera, and Chrome is still the fastest.
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Almost all webservers can detect what kind of browser is connecting to the website, and then break it down for the webteam to see. I assume they have a custom tool for this as well because they need to keep track of versions being used and also how many users view the site from a mobile browser (phone) instead of a regular browser. And while IE9 is great with speed and performance, it lacks any kind of add-ons and still fails in some areas compared to firefox. I think firefox 6.0 is a very interesting update (after reading the latest mailing list) and that 5.0 which is due later in the summer will make people pretty happy as bugfixes and some speed improvements are planned. But if they get what they want from 6.0 then I think firefox will begin to kick some ass again.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duck duck DEATH Hahaha internet. When will you learn it's the website, not the browser?[/quote]I guess Bungie.net is a crap site then, considering it messes up in many ways for me when I'm using Firefox.
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Hmm. It's working fine for the moment. I expect next week that it will start messing up again. Once that happens I'll create a backup of the folders on a USB drive, uninstall Firefox, and delete its folders to see if that works. Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. This has been quite enlightening.
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Hahaha internet. When will you learn it's the website, not the browser?
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I have the most issues with Firefox, by far.
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Take off your tinfoil hat. Chrome isn't bad because of an EULA or because of the company behind it and their mantra. Chrome is bad because it doesn't render webpages correctly and efficiently for certain websites. Sure, it's rocket fast for 95% of web content - but not very fast for 99% like firefox or pretty-darn-fast for 100% like IE. I'll sit with FFX because I can install an Adblock that actually blocks, and no script that essentially removes any remaining threat of malware. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos Lol, no. Not even close. Chrome is fairly easy to support because it is essentially Safari (both use WebKit as their renderer). Of course, Safari isn't spyware. I mean, it is your business if you want to use a browser that, in its first iteration before everyone noticed, had a EULA that declared ownership of everything you typed into it. Now they "just" have an ultra-google toolbar in it. Do no evil, right? Sure. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, I guess. FF4 is a great browser, I just don't like using it very much except when using Firebug. IE9 is incredibly fast, and a solid product all around. IE8 is not - don't confuse the two. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] komark OT. Chrome is by far most widely used browser on this website. I think it should carry a little more weight on the web team. [/quote][/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bapabooiee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 'Cause these guys don't work with computers all friggin day...[/quote] And this makes one infallible, how?[/quote] They've just had alot more time to get accustomed to a preferred browser. Hell, software in general for that matter.[/quote]No, they've had time to get accustomed to the [i]inner-workings[/i] of a browser. All the consumer (most all b.netters) care about is the surface of browsers. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Maimum FEAR Polls in forums are in no way an accurate sample of the population. Very few people actually vote in them so they do not represent what the vast majority of Bungie.net regulars. All you have to do is look at the number of votes to see this is the case. For example, those two polls that you linked to further back on this page had 50 and 65 total votes respectively. Those types of numbers are in no way representative of the total number of active/regular users. There are thousands of such type of members.[/quote]That made no sense. When a political group polls people, they sample a few thousand people, not all 310 million Americans. And yes, they are pretty indicative. It's not like polls are only accessible to users of Chrome. No, it's accessible to all people that happen to see that thread at that particular time. It's not like there's a certain time when only Chrome users use b.net. And to all the people complaining about google spyware: Who really cares? I don't give a crap if some IT guy at Google knows what kind of -blam!- I like, and what kind of pages I visit. I know that information is locked down heavily because if personal information got leaked, they'd have a big ass lawsuit to the tune of a few billion dollars to deal with. It's like giving your personal information to the government. They're not going to distribute it. [Edited on 05.19.2011 3:16 PM PDT]
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Odd, I had that problem with 3.6, but with 4 B.net works great for me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bapabooiee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 'Cause these guys don't work with computers all friggin day...[/quote] And this makes one infallible, how?[/quote] They've just had alot more time to get accustomed to a preferred browser. Hell, software in general for that matter.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 'Cause these guys don't work with computers all friggin day...[/quote] And this makes one infallible, how?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chubbz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce.[/quote] Pffft. Prove it.[/quote] 'Cause these guys don't work with computers all friggin day...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elmicker[/quote] Now [i]that[/i] is the specific type of information I'm looking for. Though to be fair, anything in Chrome that involves sending data to an external server is optional, and can be easily configured in its options page: [quote][*]Use a web service to help resolve navigation errors [*]Use a prediction service to help complete searches and URLs typed into the address bar [*]Enable phishing and malware protection [*]Automatically send usage statistics and crash reports to Google[/quote] So if the above are all turned off, no external data of any sort is sent back "home". But I can see where the privacy concerns are coming from, as all of the above are enabled by default except for the last one.
