Answers in quote. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Frauka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hotshot revan II Yes ground forces can destroy crusts.That battle was when the forerunners invaded the homeworld of the prophets.That's how the planet looks like when ground forces invade it.[/quote] Congratulations, you know nothing about what you're talking about. LET'S actually do some work to debunk this idiocy. First, Sentinels do not crack crusts, or even tank weapons that can destroy crusts, and that goes for a massed Onyx Sentinel army. In Halo Origin, we see Forerunners firing weapons in an atmosphere, and the entire planet isn't engulfed in an explosion, strange right? Second, you showed no picture of the Prophet homeworld, or how it was destroyed, but what. Get to it. A: 1) They weren't Sentinels. They were warriors and their warrior craft. 2) Frank O'Connor himself says in the commentary for Legends to take Origins with an epic grain of salt since Cortana barely was sane let alone knew what the Forerunners looked like or their weapons. 3) How the -blam!- do you expect him to post pictures from a book? Besides, 343 is in control of Halo now. Whatever they say goes. Halo: Cryptum is what they say. [quote] Wanna know what kind of body armors the Forerunners weared?: [url]http://www.halopedian.com/War_Sphinx[/url] [/quote] That tells me NOTHING about them. The ONLY quote demonstrating Forerunner armor is in Halo 1, when Guilty Spark 343 mentions Master Chief's Spartan II armor being level 2 on the Forerunner armor scale, and that it would necessary that he upgraded to level 12. Oh gee, even if it increased his durability by 10 orders of magnitudes, he would still not be able to survive a crust destroying weapon, or even a millionth of that. Since games > novels, then any nonsense suggesting exaton weapons and armor is overruled and non canon. A: Again, 343I now dictates canon, not what Bungie stated. [quote] The capabilities of those badasses are: -They can be dropped from high orbit -They can sweep continents and decimate entire citys [/quote] Oh, and I suppose you can prove that? If they could do that, the Flood would have not been a problem for any Forerunner infantry, unlike what we see in Halo: Origins. A: Again, once more, Origins is to be taken extremely crarefully. And do yu honestly think we saw ALL of their weapon capabilities? If so you're an idiot. And the Flood WOULD have been a problem since they--by nature--take control of the weapons of their enemies. Whatever power the enemies have the Flood has. [quote] -They can rip apart entire starships with their strenght and throw those starships into a planet[/quote] If they can do that, then they aren't really standard ground infantry the others were trying to pass them off as, are they? A: They are called War Sphinxes. [quote] And no we are not exagerating on thei capabilities,they can do it.It's a fact. [/quote] Yet you don't even tell me the context. If you can't do that, I will just assume you are bull-blam!- :) A: Context being WHY the Forerunners did what they did? Easy. The Prophets pissed them off. They took up arms against the Forerunners in rebellion. The Forerunners proceeded to rip the planet's crust off and turn the planet inside out (almost literally). It even says they "met opposition with quick and decisive brutality" in the back of the book. [quote] Look at yourself. You are trying to explain how wrong the crust busting groundforces are with scientific explanations which is highly inaccurate in fiction . [/quote] You don't need to take time to figure out why this is so wrong (even if you haven't even gone to high school) it's not laughable. Before the crust cracks, the atmosphere will die away, then the oceans will boil away, too. Before that happens, however, the entire planet will become a blast wave consisting of the planet's entire surface will be blown around at many hundreds of km/s. The ground forces will be CRUSHED by the impacts (if they weren't already vaporized by an atmosphere thousands to tens of thousands of Kelvins hot and entirely blinding and white), which will leave storms of plasma behind them. It is IMPOSSIBLE for ground infantry (and from what we see in Halo 1, Ghosts of Onyx, and Origins, the Forerunners are no exception) to ever do that. Oh, and the massive recoil from their guns will also be an issue. A: does that make it any less true? Bornstellar describes the Prophet homeworld's atmosphere as being made entirely by ash and broiling hot fire, sometimes a hurricane of flames. Your "5up3r 1337 5ci3n7ific" evidence doesn't prove anything. The Forerunners can do it and survive it. Deal with it. [quote] Look i'l just stating a fact about applying science to fiction,you can't do it. [/quote] Yes you can, why do you think analysis for universes are made all the time? A: Because they're needed? We didn't know the energy output of, say, the Covenant's energy projector, but someone calculated it to be about 20 kilotons per second. But in this case, we don't need the analysis. The facts are there. [quote] Exemples: Star wars hyperspace can't be possible as nothing can fly at the speed of light. I could go on all night about things that defy science in comcis and sciencefiction [/quote] I should have known you would go with this "dur, they use fake science, therefor we must not use actual science EVER!!!1!11" bull-blam!- excuse. Listen, kid, even if a universe makes use of faulty science, we should still use real science for the things that can be quantified. It should be a no brainer that if a crust is destroyed, ground forces wouldn't be [i]walking[/i] on solid matter, but instead in magma. A: Again, DOES THAT MAKE IT ANY LESS TRUE??? In fact, thank you for pointing that out. We now knoe the Forerunner combat skins are even more badass then originall thought. And so what if they can walk on lava? The Space Marine crashed into a friggin' STAR and survived, but we're not saying it isn't possible. Because its FICTION. [quote] Consider superman simply hovering above the city.According to newtons second law,there must be some upward force to balance the downward of his weight. [/quote] Superman is from a comic universe that quite clearly real physics has no purpose of existing in. [quote] Or all the water in human torch's body should evaporate within seconds when he transforms into a flame. [/quote] Ditto... [quote] Batman would need super strenght just to not have his arms ripped off when he catches himself midwell with a cable.The sudden stop in these situations would kill him or at least break bones,same with when he falls from a building and stops his descent with a grapling gun would put the same amount of stress on his body,... [/quote] Ditto... Seriously, kid, if you need this to prove why Halo shouldn't use real physics, why should anyone take your arguments seriously? I'm trying to be nice and not calling you out, but you are making this very, very difficult. A: Halo doesn't use real physics when you get into the ancient times. For contemporary Halo, yeah it does. But everything befor that is to advanced to be possible. [quote] Well guess what Forerunner ground forces can destroy the crust, defying science and mechanisms. [/quote] Let me explain something to you. If the crust is gone, then there is no solid matter to walk on. Your infantry would fall into magma. Let me guess, you're going to say something like "there is no magma or mantle under the crusts of planets in Halo!!!!111" and expect me to accept it. It also doesn't make any sense considering what the Halo games make Sentinels and Forerunner armor out to be. Hell, according to you, the Onyx sentinels are obsolete and pathetic, despite protecting an entire shield world. Please, start providing proof. A: Firstly, the games NEVER give ANY description on Forerunner armor, merely a rating system. And again, does the fact that Forerunners could crack crusts but have nothing to walk on make it any less of a fact? We don't know exactley how the Forerunner's armor works other then that it makes you nearly immortal and the Didact's armor could shoot Iron Man esque lasers from his palms. Who knows, maybe they can fly. [quote] If you disagree then you are conflicting the Halo canon [/quote] You are by contradicting Halo 1. A: Pray tell, when does Halo 1 give any description of Forerunner armor capabilities? [quote] According to Bungie : -Games -books,comics,...(Cryptum) -The rest You or any science laws aren't in this list [/quote] ... And you haven't provided quotes for this scene yet. A: Yeah, we did. "The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects darting beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti- nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen anything like this--but the Didact had" [quote] Halo canon>>>>>>>>>>>Your bull-blam!- claims [/quote] Your claims < someone else's word < canon :) Also, Precursors can beat the Xeelee because they are "transentient (oh God, something that tells us nothing is proof that the Xeelee lose. Kid, take debating lessons or something), am I right? A: No, they can beat the Xeelee because their technology cannot be destroyed. It would at the very least result in a tie, but if mortal humans can fight them, a race of inivincible super-beings with impossible to conceive technology sure as hell can. [quote] Never try to ignore evidence in sciencefiction with using real life laws as your main arguments. The book doesn't mentions any orbital bombardement in that battle,it shows the ground battle. [/quote] Prove it :)[/quote] We have.