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7/28/2009 8:23:47 PM
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Star Wars Vs. Halo Debate
I'm sure some of you saw this coming eventually.
It's another Star Wars Vs. Halo debate in the flood.
This will be more civilized though
Rules:
1. No Flaming
2. You must be willing to Learn
3. You must know what you're talking about to some extent.
4. Cite your sources if asked to or you just see it being necessary
5. No making up stuff
6. If you're clearly proven wrong, accept it and go on
And this will be more freeform.
You get to pick who's fighting who, where they are fighting, what they can use (please be careful with this), when it's taking place (ie the covenant at the beginning of the war, etc.).
Also make some sort of objective that isn't too ridiculous to make it more interesting. (ie the empire must take all of the enemy's sectors)
No cross universe friendships (ie rebels and UNSC working together)
The main fighting will be in a neutral space in between the star wars galaxies and the milky way. This will stop any confusion from happening like (oh yeah all the star wars people are in the milky way so we can use the halos). There may be planets placed there if you want to have land battles but they are not necessary. Vessels, species, people, etc. can go back to their respective galaxies and come back to the neutral space for any reason that makes sense.
Alright I think that's it. Hopefully this will go well. Who wants to start us out with who is fighting who, when, and where?
If you can't think of any here is an example
Galactic Empire vs. The Covenant
Each faction includes everything that ever belonged to them.
Ground Battle w/ space battle above
You get the idea.
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Like i said, Sgt Johnson has Norris' number on quick dial. If help is needed, help is there. And everybody knows: Nobody messes with Chuck! (roundhouse kick, WHOOPOW!!!) Nobody has posted in this forum for a while, whats up with that? Anyways, i think we need some UNSC reinforcements. P.S im not bumping, i just love this discussion. So i've been thinking, if an AT-AT can be flatlined by a standard human assult rifle, but : [quote] * Wifout Teef The ATAT cannot be crippled by laser cannons that get near the 2 kiloton power. A normal starfighter has about 2 kilotons per shot. The snowspeeders didn't even scratch the ATAT untill it was powered down.[/quote] Do you see what was meant by 'you can't compare apples and oranges'? This stuff is messed up, an assult rifle can't create 2 kilotons of power. To add to an earlier quote: [quote] * angrySCORCH62 sorry but regular bullets won't effect the storm troopers armour so the ODSTs would have no way to harm the Storm Troopers while Stormtroopers have blasters that can probably one shot ODSTs[/quote] Actually, its the other way around. It takes a few shots from the assult rifle to penetrate ODST armour, the rifle is ludicrously powerful and ODST armour must be far better than any armour today. There is evidence from the other forum that a stormtroopers blaster can't even penetrate a marines armour, but can penetrate the armour of another stormtrooper. So stormtroopers can stand there trying to get a lucky shot at a marines face, whilst they are smeared into tiny gorey peices by the MA5B weilding marines and ODST's. If AT-AT armour is like starship armour, then a star destroyer would be mushed by archer missiles, and even the AA turrets on a ship like the pillar of autumn wich are way more powerful than MA5B's. Imagine a MAC just creaming a huge hole through a formation of star destroyers. And MA5B's can't penetrate the armour of UNSC ships, so their armour probably cannot be compromised by the imperial fire. Thats realy the empires downfall... [Edited on 10.03.2009 5:48 AM PDT]
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Death Star > All Chuck Norris as MasterChief > DeathStar Flood Infested DeathStar = End of galaxy
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dahuterschuter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dahuterschuter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jackzilla88 It hath been a while since i posted! Wow LOTS OF PAGES and yet... my unending question still has not ended... The Halo wars arbitor vs Obiwon episode 1 who would win? [/quote] Obi-Wan could easily knock him around with the Force and the Abiter would be helpless to do anything.[/quote] But what if the flood go after obi-wan... Obviously a lightsaber would decimate any flood form, but the Flood has strength in numbers.[/quote] Well, the Flood would be attacking everything, including people from the Halo universe. But also, Obi-Wan would use his lightsaber on them all. He'd be able to sense if an infection form was sneaking up on him too. Also, he could just explode them all. Or just hang out in a spacecraft. Which leads us to another thing, space battles![/quote] Depends. If The Flood is merely the Feral form, then they would attack both Humans, Covenant, and Star Warsians (shut up). Anyways, if they are of a higher intelligence (read: The Gravemind), then I am certain that The Gravemind, who has shown the capacity to ally himself with an enemy against a common foe (if only for his own ends), would realize the power of a Jedi, and would ally himself, or at least not attack, a Haloian (shut up). Therefore, given The Flood's greater numbers, and the deviousness of The Gravemind, I am certain that Obi-wan, fighting The Flood, UNSC, and Covenant would indeed be screwed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] greatgrimreaper during Rouge Squadren Days in Starwars EU didnt the Empire have like 1'000 Star Destroyers at the hieght of its reign?[/quote] The Empire had over 25,000 Star Destroyers at its height. Fully crewed, that would also give it close to 250,000,000 Stormtroopers, 500,000 AT ST, 500,000 AT-ATs, 1,800,000 Tie Fighters on ISDs alone. Of course in addition to Star Destroyers they also had a large numbers of cruisers, frigates, gunships, carriers, and assault transports. [Edited on 08.13.2009 8:28 PM PDT]
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during Rouge Squadren Days in Starwars EU didnt the Empire have like 1'000 Star Destroyers at the hieght of its reign? besides SW beats the Covie 1. vader 2. death star 3. vader 4. massive fleet 5. vader. 6. Palpy doing nothing 7. vader
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This ends the same way it always ends. Cruisers move in at blinding speeds considered unfathomable by either the UNSC or Covenant, melt their planets down to molten slag, orbital factories move in and begin to harvest the planet for resources and start to strip mine what is left of their worlds. Everyone is happy, except the Covenant, who have just become a foot note in the history books.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caragnafog dog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caragnafog dog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf WAIT! I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING! THE UNSC MAY BE ABLE TO BEAT THE EMPIRE! HOW: Remember the battle with the ewoks. The ewoks were able to beat the Emperor's best men. So, if ewoks can do it, a UNSC marine can DEFINITLY do it. Plus: If you throw a few spartans in, the UNSC could possibly beat the Empire. On the ground at least.[/quote]Are you retarded? The Ewoks only killed about 10 of the stormtroopers, the only reason they held them off was because of the rebel commando squads and the traps they set.[/quote] This is true, however, those were Ewoks. Imagine what the UNSC would do...[/quote]Nothing, pretty much. Perhaps they'd have a better chance on the ground, but comparing their space weapons and the Empire's space weapons is like comparing an Elephant to an Ant.[/quote] Refer to my first post in these quotes: "On the ground at least."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caragnafog dog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf WAIT! I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING! THE UNSC MAY BE ABLE TO BEAT THE EMPIRE! HOW: Remember the battle with the ewoks. The ewoks were able to beat the Emperor's best men. So, if ewoks can do it, a UNSC marine can DEFINITLY do it. Plus: If you throw a few spartans in, the UNSC could possibly beat the Empire. On the ground at least.[/quote]Are you retarded? The Ewoks only killed about 10 of the stormtroopers, the only reason they held them off was because of the rebel commando squads and the traps they set.[/quote] This is true, however, those were Ewoks. Imagine what the UNSC would do...[/quote]Nothing, pretty much. Perhaps they'd have a better chance on the ground, but comparing their space weapons and the Empire's space weapons is like comparing an Elephant to an Ant.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Caragnafog dog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf WAIT! I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING! THE UNSC MAY BE ABLE TO BEAT THE EMPIRE! HOW: Remember the battle with the ewoks. The ewoks were able to beat the Emperor's best men. So, if ewoks can do it, a UNSC marine can DEFINITLY do it. Plus: If you throw a few spartans in, the UNSC could possibly beat the Empire. On the ground at least.[/quote]Are you retarded? The Ewoks only killed about 10 of the stormtroopers, the only reason they held them off was because of the rebel commando squads and the traps they set.[/quote] This is true, however, those were Ewoks. Imagine what the UNSC would do...
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Death Star. 'nuff said.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf WAIT! I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING! THE UNSC MAY BE ABLE TO BEAT THE EMPIRE! HOW: Remember the battle with the ewoks. The ewoks were able to beat the Emperor's best men. So, if ewoks can do it, a UNSC marine can DEFINITLY do it. Plus: If you throw a few spartans in, the UNSC could possibly beat the Empire. On the ground at least.[/quote]Are you retarded? The Ewoks only killed about 10 of the stormtroopers, the only reason they held them off was because of the rebel commando squads and the traps they set.
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TheMasterLeaf, be carefull. I think Roan Fel still roams these waters.
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WAIT! I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING! THE UNSC MAY BE ABLE TO BEAT THE EMPIRE! HOW: Remember the battle with the ewoks. The ewoks were able to beat the Emperor's best men. So, if ewoks can do it, a UNSC marine can DEFINITLY do it. Plus: If you throw a few spartans in, the UNSC could possibly beat the Empire. On the ground at least.
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Here is this dudes post: This is where I smile. [quote]Let's see, in game, and according to several novels, a 7.62 round can penetrate 1/8th of n inch of Titanium-A instantly. IRL, a 7.62 round can't even penetrate 1/8th of an inch of normal titanium, according to a ballistics/explosive engineer in the family. That tells me that the round fired by the MA5B is far different than the one used now. It's far more powerful. As for the armor itself, Titanium-A is made from Titanium-50, which, according to Bungie, is harder and more heat resistant than regular titanium, which naturally has an atomic number of 22. It's true that a marine can survive several direct hits from a plasma rifle, and plasma burns away flesh on contact. Now, I've established that a Halo MA5B round is far superior to a modern round of the same type. It's established that Titanium-A is tougher than normal Titanium by Bungie, and it's established that whatever the material the MJOLNIR is, it's tougher than Titanium-A, also according to Bungie. Now, since an MA5B can shoot through both Titanium-A and the MJOLNIR armor, this means that it's a very powerful round. Now, since the MJOLNIR can fall from two kilometers without a scratch, and an MA5B can still penetrate it, that means that the MA5B can penetrate the armor on a Tiger tank from WWII, which, even with it's thick steel armor, cannot survive a similar drop. However, the armor on an AT-ST will flex from an 8.6 meter drop, which means that it's nowhere near the toughness of the MJOLNIR armor. Which means that an MA5B round can easily penetrate it. Now, a blaster doesn't have the firepower to penetrate the armor in one shot, according to Wookiepedia, but Ive just established that an MA5B does. Therefore, I guess my entire point, is that the UNSC ground troops have superior weapons when compared to the empire. Further, the UNSC can easily use, and are accustomed to, guerrilla warfare. I've only ever seen the Empire use Napoleonic tactics. The UNSC can stave off defeat the same way the Rebels did. Even if the Empire takes the Milky Way, the UNSC would make it cost them too much to remain there. It's exactly what happened in Vietnam.[/quote] The ''ground war'' thing and ''vietnam'' thing aren't what were looking for, just those whopping great stats.
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[quote]ATAT's are nearly indestructible. A scarab can be crippled by a few rockets to the legs. Hardly fair.[/quote] In the last forum about this topic, a guy had worked out (using all the data useable) that a mere MA5B assult rifle round could tear through the armour of an AT-ST, that apparently uses starship grade armour. This must be stronger than that of an AT-AT, therefore an AT-AT could be destroyed by a phycotic marine on steroids, who is totally blood drunk. Daleks! ya, they would make a thin paste of all, and make grunts and ewoks live together in a happy land of flowers and cookies (with a methane environment, so the ewoks have to wear gass masks for a change, jeez, give the grunts a brake!). [Edited on 08.13.2009 12:18 PM PDT]
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SERIOUSLY!?!?! THIS IS STILL GOING ON!?!?! Anyway, Daleks would own both. /thread
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Everything is Star Wars is far superior to anything known in the Halo series. Some things mentioned earlier: ATAT's are nearly indestructible. A scarab can be crippled by a few rockets to the legs. Hardly fair. High Charity has no weapons, unlike the death star which has a huge laser that can fire 47,060,000 kilometers away. Tie fighters are way faster than Banshees, not to mention more maneuverable and powerful. I dont think a covenant/UNSC cruiser could math up against a star destroyer. It takes several covenant cruisers to glass a planet, but only one star destroyer is capable of destroying entire star systems. Darth Vader could easily pwn the Chief. Two words: Force powers. One thing I will give credit to though is that an ODST could probably whoop a stormtrooper any day.
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The Flood can get into space easilly. They can even repair damaged ships, and fly them practically anywhere.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheMasterLeaf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dahuterschuter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jackzilla88 It hath been a while since i posted! Wow LOTS OF PAGES and yet... my unending question still has not ended... The Halo wars arbitor vs Obiwon episode 1 who would win? [/quote] Obi-Wan could easily knock him around with the Force and the Abiter would be helpless to do anything.[/quote] But what if the flood go after obi-wan... Obviously a lightsaber would decimate any flood form, but the Flood has strength in numbers.[/quote] Well, the Flood would be attacking everything, including people from the Halo universe. But also, Obi-Wan would use his lightsaber on them all. He'd be able to sense if an infection form was sneaking up on him too. Also, he could just explode them all. Or just hang out in a spacecraft. Which leads us to another thing, space battles!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dahuterschuter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jackzilla88 It hath been a while since i posted! Wow LOTS OF PAGES and yet... my unending question still has not ended... The Halo wars arbitor vs Obiwon episode 1 who would win? [/quote] Obi-Wan could easily knock him around with the Force and the Abiter would be helpless to do anything.[/quote] But what if the flood go after obi-wan... Obviously a lightsaber would decimate any flood form, but the Flood has strength in numbers. [Edited on 08.12.2009 6:09 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jackzilla88 It hath been a while since i posted! Wow LOTS OF PAGES and yet... my unending question still has not ended... The Halo wars arbitor vs Obiwon episode 1 who would win? [/quote] Obi-Wan could easily knock him around with the Force and the Abiter would be helpless to do anything.
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...idk...I mean, normally star wars would win...but if you add the flood into the equation... Star Wars may still win but it'd be hard.
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Even though Star Wars would win in most match-ups, there's a whole bunch of bias on both sides in here...
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star wars wins, because of the fact it has more and better female characters, even if they are'nt featured.
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Scarab will push over an AT-AT. Epic win.
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It hath been a while since i posted! Wow LOTS OF PAGES and yet... my unending question still has not ended... The Halo wars arbitor vs Obiwon episode 1 who would win?
