Yea man, that's good stuff. I also have a main group and we raid together every week, but it's like you can teach a fight, you can't teach awareness and smart play. I'd take 5 guys who don't know the fight but who are smart and don't die for dumb reasons over 5 guys who know the fight but shoot rockets into detainment shields every time. The thing about VoG is that there were so many glitches. If you can get through 1 teleport, that's what the whole fight looks like, but if you can get through 2 teleports, you should be able to 1-shot the fight. My group has done it over and over and have almost never 1-shot Atheon, but it was almost always because of a glitch. And then a glitch starts to wear you down and hurts morale and then you start to make mistakes and then everyone has to get their head together and you get another glitch and it ends up taking 2 hours. Cheesing VoG, go for it if you've beaten it the intended way, but Crota? That raid is nearly flawless. Skipping a 3-minute fight as a means to 'save time' that's just BS, imo.