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由Paradox1055編輯: 1/25/2017 1:49:46 AM
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Mysteries of the Dreadfang

Hello, Paradox here. Today, I have with me, a theory post. This theory revolves around the legendary sword, [armory]Dreadfang[/armory], and its hidden power. The sword, Dreadfang was found in the possession of Variks the Loyal, but how the Eliksni came to acquire the weapon is unknown. A close look at the weapon shows that it is/was once a [url=http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/cleaver?highlight=Hive+Cleaver]Hive cleaver[/url]. If Dreadfang is a cleaver, then two factors lean toward toward the fact that this may be a very dangerous tool of destruction. First off, the sword is named Dreadfang-- now, whether it was named that by its old owner, or just dubbed that after it was found is uncertain. There are two other named, Hive weapons known by Guardians: the Light-eater, Crota's sword; and Will-breaker, Oryx's sword. It is possible that all knights name their swords, but I believe they must kill enough to earn the right to name their weapons. Since Dreadfang is named, then the knight that wielded it must have been an infamous warrior. Secondly, most Hive cleavers are large, bulky weapons, built for crushing foes. Will-breaker is an exception-- it has been worn down and sharpened by thousands of years of slaughter. Because of this, Oryx has acquired an immense amount of power through sword logic. However, Dreadfang is far more worn away and sharper than Will-breaker, meaning that the sword and its wielder possess way more power than even Oryx, the Taken King does. Now, since it is clear that Dreadfang is a powerful tool of the Hive, a new question arises. Who once owned it? There is no evidence of a previous owner, other than Variks and The Guardian. But, common understanding of Hive religion, and the twisted sibling rivalry of the gods might leave a clue. The in-game description sounds like a sister of Oryx speaking on behalf of the king and his failed assault on the Solar System.[quote]Kingly brother, I thank you for the gift of your failure. The sword logic demands a pinnacle. ~In-game description[/quote] [b]This is entirely speculation. I couldn't find any evidence of any previous owners of Dreadfang, but honestly, the following could fit with what little lore I have to work with.[/b] In the earliest ages of the Hive, the three daughters of the Osmium King; Aurash, Xi Ro, and Sathona were offered larvae of worm gods. They were given the king's morph, knight's morph, and mother's morph, turning the Krill into the Hive gods Oryx, Xivu Arath, and Savathûn respectively. The siblings quickly learned that dying, and killing each other helped them grow stronger. This was their earliest lessons of sword logic. It is highly likely that Dreadfang was subject to this ritual. I do not believe Dreadfang belonged to any of the gods, because it is unlikely that it would have ended up in the Solar System. However, it may have belonged to a powerful disciple of one of the gods. A knight that has slaughtered so many with a sword would most likely have belonged to a brood of Xivu Arath, the god of knights. Savathûn mainly focused on trickery and magics, similar to wizards, so the mastery of the sword would not fit the criteria of her brood. So, if the Dreadfang [u][i]most likely[/i][/u] belonged to a descendant of Xivu Arath, why was it-- and/or its wielder-- Taken? It is already known that the Hive gods have an interesting relationship. For example, Balwûr was given to Oryx's court as a gift from Savathûn. Malok was also given to Oryx, but to steal tithe from him and give it to Savathûn. However, Oryx found the thrall and Took him. Something very similar may have happened with the one that wielded Dreadfang, possibly the latter. Here is a very brief summary of what I believe might of happened.[spoiler]As a loyal servant of Xivu Arath, __________ was tasked to infiltrate Oryx's court, but was Taken by the king instead. As a slave to the Taken King, __________ fought at his side in Sol at the Battle of Saturn. However, when Oryx used his secret weapon against the Awoken Fleet, __________ was killed by the blast, letting his weapon drift in space. Eventually found by Variks as he scavenged the battlefield after Oryx's defeat.[/spoiler] [b]Tl;dr[/b] Dreadfang was once owned by a powerful Hive knight, possibly from the brood of Xivu Arath. The fact that the weapon is so worn away shows that it holds an incredible amount of power due to sword logic, more power than the Taken King. However, the mysterious knight found its way into Oryx's court, where it was Taken by the Hive god. The knight fought with Oryx at the Battle of Saturn, where it died by the blast of Oryx's weapon. Now, the powerful weapon gathers more Light and power as a random Guardian swings the blade through innumerable foes. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/206388637/0/0]Master Lore Post[/url] [i]Keep fighting, Guardians[/i]

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  • Ooooor maybe Variks just confiscated it when they took sylok prisoner

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  • I'm gonna be completely honest with you, I always thought it was the wiggly sword from Mulan. https://fabricalchemist.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/sword-pose.jpg

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    • This is quite the stretch here Paradox. Nothing in the Hive ever was more powerful than Oryx except maybe the instant before his death. His very existence relied on that truth.

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      • This is too much spinfoil for my taste.

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      • Reported for long post on a dead game, nerd.

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        • Another conflux member muted

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          • Every time I read a new Ashen Conflux lore post, it becomes more and more clear to me that you guys have the most basic understanding of lore, and are unusually capable of spinning your meager knowledge into creative tales. Unfortunately, creative as they may be spun, they are always easily unraveled. This post is no exception. #TitanMasterRace

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            • Nah, Bungie just said What if we had a TAKEN sword!!?!

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            • Or something took the mantle

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            • Maybe it's Oryxes ritual sword or sword he uses for actually killing

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            • How the hell did you get all this. I am new to the lore, but this is amazing.

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              • Or..... Bungie just made it without a story.

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                • 由lynk編輯: 1/25/2017 7:57:20 PM
                  Replied to wrong post

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                • How bout an evolved bigger dreadfang, legendary sword, it's R2 would be the same special attack while holding the sword of crota (but with some void floating around and not nearly as powerful, it is legendary after all), essentially, a void young wolfs howl. With better ammo consumption, and doesn't use an exotic slot. And while we are on the topic of swords, how bout a new arc sword. The young wolfs howl has a very cool look, but an even more classic looking sword would be suitable for an arc type. Give it the typical fantasy look, almost on the lighter side, and a lot of gold and shimmer. Once again, it's R2 attack would be similar to the YWH, but less ammo consumption and upon slamming the sword, arc bolts link to all nearby enemies. Legendary as well. Unless people are that keen on exotics. That's fine too, I just felt there wasn't enough unique legendarys as it is. A legendary solar could be a long black blade(as if it's been smoldering) that's wider and more 2 handish, with bladed teeth going down its edge. The object is to give this sword a sort of "hellish" look. As the Arcs is angelic, and the void is more of space. As far as an R2 attack, I would say something similar to dark drinker, but more of a flaming whirlwind. Any thoughts on these ideas are always welcome. I want more swords bungie!

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                • Actually Malok served Savuthin...long story short Malok betrays her and serves Oryx. Oryx is defeated and Savuthin makes DreadFang for Malok so he may take over and hopefully serve her once again.

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                • I love how salty people are getting over theories in a game with minimal lore. Unbelievable. Most of them can't even be civil about their own opinions. It was a good read along with the unnecessarily obnoxious comments from your lore peers.

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                  • Too many holes and strained connections.

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                    • Dreadfang is a crappy legendary sword for wankers.

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                      • [quote]Hello, Paradox here. Today, I have with me, a theory post. This theory revolves around the legendary sword, [armory]Dreadfang[/armory], and its hidden power. The sword, Dreadfang was found in the possession of Variks the Loyal, but how the Eliksni came to acquire the weapon is unknown. A close look at the weapon shows that it is/was once a [url=http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/cleaver?highlight=Hive+Cleaver]Hive cleaver[/url]. If Dreadfang is a cleaver, then two factors lean toward toward the fact that this may be a very dangerous tool of destruction. First off, the sword is named Dreadfang-- now, whether it was named that by its old owner, or just dubbed that after it was found is uncertain. There are two other named, Hive weapons known by Guardians: the Light-eater, Crota's sword; and Will-breaker, Oryx's sword. It is possible that all knights name their swords, but I believe they must kill enough to earn the right to name their weapons. Since Dreadfang is named, then the knight that wielded it must have been an infamous warrior. Secondly, most Hive cleavers are large, bulky weapons, built for crushing foes. Will-breaker is an exception-- it has been worn down and sharpened by thousands of years of slaughter. Because of this, Oryx has acquired an immense amount of power through sword logic. However, Dreadfang is far more worn away and sharper than Will-breaker, meaning that the sword and its wielder possess way more power than even Oryx, the Taken King does. Now, since it is clear that Dreadfang is a powerful tool of the Hive, a new question arises. Who once owned it? There is no evidence of a previous owner, other than Variks and The Guardian. But, common understanding of Hive religion, and the twisted sibling rivalry of the gods might leave a clue. The in-game description sounds like a sister of Oryx speaking on behalf of the king and his failed assault on the Solar System.[quote]Kingly brother, I thank you for the gift of your failure. The sword logic demands a pinnacle. ~In-game description[/quote] [b]This is entirely speculation. I couldn't find any evidence of any previous owners of Dreadfang, but honestly, the following could fit with what little lore I have to work with.[/b] In the earliest ages of the Hive, the three daughters of the Osmium King; Aurash, Xi Ro, and Sathona were offered larvae of worm gods. They were given the king's morph, knight's morph, and mother's morph, turning the Krill into the Hive gods Oryx, Xivu Arath, and Savathûn respectively. The siblings quickly learned that dying, and killing each other helped them grow stronger. This was their earliest lessons of sword logic. It is highly likely that Dreadfang was subject to this ritual. I do not believe Dreadfang belonged to any of the gods, because it is unlikely that it would have ended up in the Solar System. However, it may have belonged to a powerful disciple of one of the gods. A knight that has slaughtered so many with a sword would most likely have belonged to a brood of Xivu Arath, the god of knights. Savathûn mainly focused on trickery and magics, similar to wizards, so the mastery of the sword would not fit the criteria of her brood. So, if the Dreadfang [u][i]most likely[/i][/u] belonged to a descendant of Xivu Arath, why was it-- and/or its wielder-- Taken? It is already known that the Hive gods have an interesting relationship. For example, Balwûr was given to Oryx's court as a gift from Savathûn. Malok was also given to Oryx, but to steal tithe from him and give it to Savathûn. However, Oryx found the thrall and Took him. Something very similar may have happened with the one that wielded Dreadfang, possibly the latter. Here is a very brief summary of what I believe might of happened.[spoiler]As a loyal servant of Xivu Arath, __________ was tasked to infiltrate Oryx's court, but was Taken by the king instead. As a slave to the Taken King, __________ fought at his side in Sol at the Battle of Saturn. However, when Oryx used his secret weapon against the Awoken Fleet, __________ was killed by the blast, letting his weapon drift in space. Eventually found by Variks as he scavenged the battlefield after Oryx's defeat.[/spoiler] [b]Tl;dr[/b] Dreadfang was once owned by a powerful Hive knight, possibly from the brood of Xivu Arath. The fact that the weapon is so worn away shows that it holds an incredible amount of power due to sword logic, more power than the Taken King. However, the mysterious knight found its way into Oryx's court, where it was Taken by the Hive god. The knight fought with Oryx at the Battle of Saturn, where it died by the blast of Oryx's weapon. Now, the powerful weapon gathers more Light and power as a random Guardian swings the blade through innumerable foes. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/206388637/0/0]Master Lore Post[/url] [i]Keep fighting, Guardians[/i][/quote] Amazing lore makes sense #swordlogic

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                        • When people make up an entire story on a virtual sword :/

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                          • For a Destiny fanatic, I actually didn't even know about the lore of the Hive you've mentioned. Time to start reading and raising my Grimoire.

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                            • Nice theroy I love seeing these

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                            • Don't know why this is getting so much negative feedback. I thought it was interesting, and despite being just a theory, clearly a lot of thought was put into this.

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                              • Muted. This makes no sense, to many assumptions, to many "if this is true, then this might be true"

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                                • Haven't used the sword much, is it any good?

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                                  • Reported!!!

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