get rid of leaver penalties so we don't have to stay in these crap matches with cheaters

Yes even on console unfortunately

I make it a point to stay out of the crucible. There's the answer.

Agreed, make it an actual felony and put these obese neck beards in a cell with Jamal for ruining every multiplayer game out there

Better than you ≠ cheating. I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of complaints about supposed "cheaters" are from people who are just mad that they lost to someone who was better than them at PvP. I'm by no means a PvP god, but I don't accuse anyone who beats me in PvP of being a cheater.

I really dont see cheaters often and I play on PC. Most of the time someone is just better. You need to remember that there is so many things that affects on who wins, not only [i]your skill[/i]. This is not Counter-Strike with guns only, there is crazy amounts of different buffs/debuffs going on, team shooting, who has better connection, who has smoother gameplay and what else. But yeah some players are really good, sometimes I check those who tops charts with something like 10+ combat efficiency while we rest are far below and these better players usually are in top 5% with crazy stats and + 2.0 K/D - so yeah, they have good aim and know what to do.

My favorite one are those that say I am not cheating I'm just good and you are bad. The usual culprits: -New account -7.0 KD but it was 0.75 for 10 seasons -VAC ban on record (I don't understand how they are allowed to play PvP) -Private stats -Emo profile on steam with cringe photos

With pain in my heart I stay out of Crucible to make a point. Crucible indeed has become unplayable for various reasons. Most of my friends already quit. I force myself to do some PvE, but I don't find any satisfaction in playing PvE only. If Bungie don"t fix the Crucible, the game will die much faster then expected.

I'd love to understand how players think its fun to win by cheating. Cheating culture sucks.

I understand cheaters but, my dude, if your gt signifies your state of being. Then I can guarantee, thats a self imposed handicap. Haven't faced a cheater in a while, only got one "Thanks for the report" message in years. What cheats we talking? Hardware or bot cheats?

Well PvP is absolutely a decade or more behind because of a lack of dedicated servers and a generally extremely poor handling of cheating with poor detection and poor enforcement of bans which only affects the cheater and rarely ever the teammates if at all in PvP. It would have been nice to enjoy the end of the game in a somewhat playable state but the extreme neglect for long overdue updates means that the game will die like all older games like old CoD titles and Titanfall have and will just become overrun by cheaters competing to see who has the more ridiculous stuff. PvE will probably be alright for a while, but PvP was always meant to die since Bungie seems to have made it clear years ago that there will be no addition of dedicated servers and an anti-cheat is way too unimportant to maintain. It's kind of shocking that PvP made it so many weeks post MoT but I'm at least glad it kinda did.

It already was.. I don't really see it worse than it was before