People are all dunking on you... and I'm against telling people how to play. BUT... It is frustrating. And what's the difference between rushing & not rushing? Worse loot. So, you save maybe 5 mins, less jackpot rnds... less treasure ogres, less bonus rnds. And some players do it on purpose, the score is 175 ish and then they nuke the boss. Meaning there is literally no reason, because overall, those few mins saved means less loot. You can beat it. I can force min 180 almost every time no matter what the other players do... the one exception is Hive boss. I often get 250 on normal and it still ends up being 15-16 mins. The most I've ever gotten on normal is 320. There's strats... here's a few: Don't play the objective, focus adds & pickups... for some encounters you focus adds, other's pickups... it depends on which encounter it is, whether or not you got a jackpot rnd. During Jackpot rnds there's more pickups and they respawn. For example, say 1st encounter is Vex and it's a jackpot rnd... that can be pushed super fast. I spend the entire time grabbing pickups... because there's nothing I can do to stall the other players from nuking those shielded Vex minis. Fallen is the best encounter in DoE... that's adds; mainly exploder shanks. The zones cap only so fast... and you can usually farm a good chunk of points. Orbs... run a kit that makes tons of orbs. Those aren't all my tricks, but those are some basic methods to ensure scores on normal. Hope it helps. DoE is probably a nightmare because BoW is so busted though...