Yes understood but even though it's not that hard the player stated that they kept wiping (in the not so hard part) which means it is ???? For the other players.

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For some reason, everyone focuses on the "being easy" part and no one on the time saving part. Yes, it is easy the regular way too, I've done it many times, but nowhere near as easy as with the cheese and nowhere near as fast. Also, people new to GMs almost always immediately die once the elevator arrives to the top. It's not a problem if you run it once and done, but if you run it 20 times - it adds up.

[quote]For some reason, everyone focuses on the "being easy" part and no one on the time saving part. [/quote] Probably because you said, "We wiped almost every single time people didn't want to wait those 10 seconds", which indicates the easiest NF in the game is too difficult for you to complete unless you do the elevator cheese. When it comes to saving time, being able to recover from a failed "cheese" attempt and successfully complete the GM takes less time than returning to orbit and having to do the entire GM all over again.

Fair point. It's not true, but it did happen several times, cause people died there immediately. I can't solo this GM, no matter how "easy" it may be. The safest, easiest way is the one I described. Why are people so against doing sth the easy way, I really can't understand. People who solo the Corrupted no problems also do it, cause it saves time. Is it "skill issue" for them too? 🙄Keep doing it the hardest way possible. Instead of doing 5 runs an hour, do 1. I really don't know what else to say. I tried my best to bring this possibility and make people's lives and my life easier, but people are so frkn complicated. They just want to find any excuse to be as toxic as possible. Well enjoy it then.

To be perfectly clear, I'm not against doing it the easy way. Like you said, it saves time. Being able to adapt to someone activating the lever early and survive long enough to clear the ads, complete the objective and kill the boss will also save time since you don't have to go back to orbit and restart from the beginning. It's not "toxic" to have a different opinion.

Using the cheese gives the highest chance of successful completion, no matter what people you end up playing with. Some don't even have stun mods equipped. Happened to me 2 times. I wrote the post so that people who don't know about it, finally start doing it as well. I really asked as nicely as possible. Apparently, it was too much to ask, to answer my own question.

You're right, the cheese does have the highest chance of success, but at the same time you shouldn't have to be dependent on the cheese to successfully complete the GM. While guilding the Conqueror title on my alt last week, a team mate activated the lever early but we were still able to successfully complete the GM despite the setback. It's all about adapting to the situation.

Yes, but did you play with randoms, some of who didn't have the stun mods even? Would you be able to guild your seal playing with them, adapt to that? I am no Conqueror, I can't carry random people. That's why I need them to go the easiest way possible. I am no veteran, I'm only several months into the game.

Yes, I did play with randoms. 6 different teams of randoms for all six GM's to guild the title. If your fireteam member(s) didn't have champion mods equipped, it would be yours, or the team leaders' responsibility to remind them to equip mods.

Good for you.