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8/10/2022 2:39:11 AM
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So... the harassment. My thoughts:

So I'm just gonna jump straight into this and say initially: This is [b]not[/b] okay. I'm sure most would agree with me. But I know I'll probably catch a lot of flack, so let me just clear that out. The first thing I want to address is the source of the harassment itself. Thinking logically, not all Titans are upset about the Twilight Garrison news. Not all that are upset are angry. Many of them understand why this is happening. The people doling out threats and harassing employees are part of an [b]extremely[/b] small population of players and fans. This is a large issue concerning a small group of people. I guarantee 99% of people on [b]these very forums[/b] would not harass or threaten anyone over an item not returning to a sequel video game. Almost the whole player base is being affected by Bungie's radio silence. I think that this is the wrong way to handle the issue. People prone to or intending to harass will not cease harassment because of a ceasing of communications. They will look for another excuse. You [b][i]cannot[/i][/b] reason with someone like this. Someone who is so worked up about a small aspect of a video game as to threaten another individual's life is not a reasonable person. It is futile to attempt to dissuade them or to try to stop feeding them excuses. They will make up there own excuses. The way that we deal with harassment is together. Bungie, this community actually cares about you guys and is incredibly grateful for everything beautiful and addictive and fantastic that we've been given the privilege to participate in. This community isn't all bad. I see good wherever I go with people teaching raids, people making donations to help raise for charities, and people just being relaxed and funny and nice in a space where a guy can feel at home. The radio silence feels almost like the condemning of all of us for the actions of very few of us. Outsiders certainly are making that condemnation of us, as this has reached all over. It's heartbreaking. We don't hate you. You don't bring about peace by building up walls. You don't unite the community and the creators like you've always tried to by putting up barriers. Let us into the conversation. Let us be part of the solution. We can deal with this together. As one. Signing off, RADneck.
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  • Doesn't matter if it's just a few bad apples. They can, will, and have spoiled it for the bunch. Bungie doesn't owe us anything anyway, so the fact that we still even get TWAB is amazing at this point.

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  • Why are you bringing back up old news?

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    • I got bagged in Gambit this week and i found it funny because the match was halfway and we were winning. when i bagged back when i killed him in his super, i got an essay of angry messages that my account would get banned if he sends the video to Bungie… i told him he was soft and this was kind of harassment jokingly, but Bungie applaud this kind of behavior too while crying when some idiot does it to them… It’s dumb in a lot of ways imo

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      • The block feature they have in game does not work either so you will be matched to those who harass and bully you. Bungie only cares about Bungie.

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      • Just so you know some Bungie Employees considered T-Bagging -blam!- Assault, Bungie is dumb on their side as well.

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        • People are still freaking out over Twilight Garrison?

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          • 由rottingvermin編輯: 8/11/2022 9:09:42 PM
            *Edited after reading articles and forum sites*

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            • Bungies reason for it is BS, has Solar 3.0 literally gutted the Warlock identity and gave it to the other classes Also Titans had Twilight before Warlock had dodge With that said, anyone who would resort to death threats over a video game needs serious help

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              • If there is harassment done, it should be investigated by the authorities, not the community forums or make an issue by the community. If there was a legal breach or laws that’s been broken, it should be reported to the authorities so they can handle it. There is nothing here.

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              • [quote]Let us into the conversation. Let us be part of the solution. We can deal with this together. As one.[/quote]Yeah that's bullshit. You can't control the crazies, & nobody at Bungie is obligated to deal with them either.

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                • So I’m going to jump straight up to it and say nobody cares

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                  • Stances like this make me sick. One person did something bad and a public company is handling it by criticizing and ignoring their entire player base. I don’t get why some people want to be public figures to lap up all the good then freak out when something bad inevitably happens. If you aren’t prepared for the worst take your association to the company out of your twitter bio and don’t interact with fans. In this day and age people don’t respect the potentially terrible things that can come about from putting yourself on the internet where millions have access too. To be clear I’m not co-signing any of the bad stuff but punishing everyone for the actions of one is an awful way to handle anything. At the end of the day personal responsibility comes before blaming others. If you want all the benefits of being a public figure and yet fail to recognize the risk then there is blame to go around. I guess it wouldn’t be current year if a massive company wasn’t crying over the bullies. Worse than bungies response are those trying to prop up themselves through posts like this.

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                      The problem is the domain. And the social dependency many have. It is a fact the majority of the gaming population does not know the world before the Internet. You’ve grown up with it. For you, or them, the Internet has always existed. It is an aspect of life as normal as running water and electricity. Such people lack social skills and rely on what has become a primary means of communication. For such people they are a sender only, not sender/receiver. Meaning you have little concept of the impact of confrontational speech in the receiving end. To shout and tantrum in autistic rants is normal for them and for many of you on this forum. You do it all the time. Hence threats over something as innocuous as data not appearing in a game is the default for those who’ve suckled at the Internet test. It’s a sad state of affairs. I do not believe you will ever grow out of it.

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                    • [quote]This community isn't all bad. I see good wherever I go with people teaching raids, people making donations to help raise for charities, and people just being relaxed and funny and nice in a space where a guy can feel at home.[/quote] Ehy Guardian. Thanks for this statement =) this is somenthing that I'd like more to see and experience. Sometimes I believe that the community tends to be so focused on the toxicity to forget that it is only a face of the medal. Many Guardians out there do their best to help others and simply have fun, they are actually focused on what could be better for the game and not only for themselves. This is the part of the community I'd like to focus and remember.

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                    • If you read some of the reports on the internet there does appear to be some serious concerns as far as the safety and privacy of their employees. So all the communication stuff just isn't as important right now. I'm sure they'll figure all that out eventually but the people that are doing some of this stuff shouldn't be allowed to get away with it if at all possible and that's what they should be focused on right now.

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                    • 由L33LHO編輯: 8/10/2022 3:09:01 AM
                      I have never seen anything like it in gaming from both parties. Bullying, threating.... NO! Why would you! Crazy. A company that punish everyone and abandon their own app and just stay mute.... NO Everything about this was handled really wrong. People need to grow up. Its ridiculous. I finished school along time ago. (30 day ban coming my way for hate speech)

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                      • Oh my god who the hell cares.

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                      • It's a game, why all this drama

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                        • [quote]Let us into the conversation. Let us be part of the solution. We can deal with this together. As one.[/quote] Honestly, I think so much open communication with the player base was how it ended up getting this bad. Someone felt so entitled to getting their way and having their voice heard, that when things didn't go their way, they revolted and threatened the devs, and made it clear that they knew where the devs lived. I'm not so sure we would have gotten here if the precedent weren't set that enough complaining from the players would lead to a response from the devs.

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                        • It is sad that this has happened. There is lots of good in the community, and some mega rubbish negativity. Even if we all collectively focus on the positives and stand up to the negatives, it wouldn’t prevent people making threats - and that is the fundamental issue.

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                        • Why are we still talking about this? Yes it was bad, yes both sides have learned from this. Let’s move on

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                          • You haven't really offered an alternative? You acknowledge that Abuse is bad, and that it's a very small group of people that are doing so. But you don't go on to say anything else that might help to deal with that small group... Work together? How? The 'good' players were still around when staff were being doxxed and harassed, how does being together help? Secondly, we still get a twab, and input from select staff, so it's not entirely accurate to call it radio silence either. I don't necessarily disagree with your message, I just don't see a solution that deals with terrible people, and keeps staff from getting harassed

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                            • Bruh you're still on about that.

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                              • Wasn’t this sh*tstorm like 2 months ago?

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                                • Amazing isn't it? How the actions of a few and cause so much. Bungie have made the only viable move imo at this point. You say you don't bring about peace by putting up walls......You keep problems out with walls. This is good ol' cause an effect. Whether 80% of the community is good or not. The point is people crossed a line and Bungie can't take chances anymore. As a community we're going to have to earn the right for communication again. It's not an obligation but a luxury some took for granted.

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                                  • A lot of those people probably aren't even Titan mains... ugh, just get better at the video game and you won't need your silly boots.

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