Typical Bungie...again, the gun was not OP on console. In fact, I quit using it because the hit detection was either there or it wasn't, which I expect is do to their crappy P2P. When the hit detection was on, the gun felt good, but still not OP. This gun has completely lost its niche. Why would you ever use this gun now when most other primary weapon archetypes popular in the game now have a better ttk? This gun will lose to 140 handncannons, 340, 450 agg frame, 450 lightweights and 540 pulses. It now has worse ttk than every auto rifle within their effective ranges. This gun now has no identity outside of it's looks.

Bungie must be doing something right. Games going into year 7. If you don't like the way they make games, find a new one? If you know game design so well, maybe make your own destiny killer and be done with it? I'd love to play it. None of the current Destiny killers do it for me....

If Bungie makes a dumb move and nerfs one of the most interesting exotics in the game because m&k players keep crying about it, I'm going to let them know about it on their forum. The gun did not warrant a nerf on console, especially a ttk nerf, which is one of the worst things you can do to a weapon. If you need to adjust a gun, you would typically try all other methods before you resort to making the ttk worse. In this case, they literally said in the TWAB [quote]but it's far too good at spamming hip-fire shots at long range[/quote] OK...so, give the gun greater hip fire damage falloff so like past 30 meters or whatever you are making it take more shots. What they did is pure overkill. Now has a worse ttk than basically every mainstream primary you are going to see in crucible.

You actually think it was mnk players crying lol. This was clearly because controller players couldn't use it like a scout rifle last word lol. Hence why it was buffed quickly, then when it still wasn't great on controller it became a big topic of crying n fit throwing until it was ruined for mnk. If bungo actually listened to mnk complaints then last word wouldn't still be useless on mnk and an aim bot on controller. This has been a thing for years. Pretending this is anything but more controller catering is silly nonsense.

[quote]You actually think it was mnk players crying lol. This was clearly because controller players couldn't use it like a scout rifle last word lol. Hence why it was buffed quickly, then when it still wasn't great on controller it became a big topic of crying n fit throwing until it was ruined for mnk. If bungo actually listened to mnk complaints then last word wouldn't still be useless on mnk and an aim bot on controller. This has been a thing for years. Pretending this is anything but more controller catering is silly nonsense.[/quote] You still obviously don't get it. The gun is not OP on console. Never has been. This nerf is clearly coming from the PC side of things because nobody on console in their right mind can call this gun OP and claim that it should be nerfed.

You still don't get it. Don't just say pc players when the complainers are primarily controller players on pc. There's a big difference between mnk n controller players and their complaints.