I agree. Every quest pertaining to a catalyst should be an either or scenario. Either kill x in crucible or y in pve.

Many players hate PvP, and do not want to play it. Bungie produces stats that say some percentage or other of players play PvP, [i]so it must be popular.[/i] The lie of course is that some percentage or other of players who play PvP, [i]do not want to be there![/i] Some players in this post raise the legitimate point that they do not want to be included in the percentage that [i]supposedly [/i]enjoys PvP. I happen to be one of them, to the point that any quest requiring PvP is immediately abandoned. IMO, the minuscule advantage of a certain weapon or a certain catalyst is not missed. The other point is that - being a wild dreamer of note! - I see Bungoe looking at all the abandoned quests, and thinking, "Hmmm... these people don't want to play PvP. We need to do something about that PvP requirement." Yeah I know. There are two oxymorons in my statement. One that Bungie actually thinks, and two, that they're going to do something about the lie of PvP numbers. The whole game consists of activities that can be played or ignored. All that happens is that you get less of the so-called goodies. F'ristance, you could play absolutely nothing other than patrols. Would get a tad boring, but you don't get kicked from the game, the thought police don't come bashing your front door in, you don't get a nasty letter from Luke Smith, and you don't get lots of weapons and gear to dismantle so you can buy lots of weapons and gear to dismantle. As for removing the requirement to play PvP to get something, I like to see the choice to play only PvP to get it. After all, lotsa players like PvP, and (I've read) that playing PvE gives them the err.... ya know...lower discomfort? There is a dramatic difference between the two forms of play. They don't compliment each other.

it only takes about 1-3 games to do the cat and the weapon is not bad at all in pvp. yet i agree with your point!

Bungie designed quest steps not to make players happy, but to shape the track record of this game so that market participants believe it’s a great cash cow with lots of hamsters who would buy, play and wear anything Bungie sells them.

We should have different quest options Im mainly pvp but sometimes the requirements are ridiculous .

They did this with redrix broadsword when bring it back after they screwed up with it being a comp obtained weapon only. Bad part is they made getting it from pve to time consuming by throttling the percentage crap. Making it where pvp was the easier way to get it. Highly doubt that changed.

Just hip fire proc the burn and someone else can kill them

Games are simple. Wants everything in the game? Be willing to play all of the game 🤷‍♂️

I agree this catalyst quest should not have a pvp requirement They do need to get more creative I like more uniques catalyst requirements like Rat King, Borealis, Graviton, Polaris etc Yes some are tedious but unique which should be as its an exotic weapon Catalyst for this bow would have been unique Like X amt of HipFires kill and Headshots kills etc

You don’t actually get kills with it I don’t think to get the catalyst you just have to use a bow. However, ticcuus is a beast in PvP if you use the hip fire shot to tag the opponent. I used it and I actually think it’s better in PvP than pve.

I had my buddy prime them with his hip fire and i would kill them with ADS . i finished it in about 3 control matches.

I agree 100% with you....... but that bow is stupidly easy to use and get the kills. Hold the bow on the hip before peeking to prime an arrow, then a quick follow up is a guaranteed kill, even if you’re not at full draw, you still get the explosion on the enemy guardian.

Furthermore if you look at other posts from 2014 for example they had the same title separate PVE and PVP. Do you know what those Topics were about? They were about the idea how Bungie should make separate updates between PVE and PVP where One update for PVP does not affect PVE on a negative scale

Your title is please continue to separate PVE and PVP. The way that title is written that is more like you were trying to say thank you for treating PVE and PVP as two separate entities in terms of updates. Your post is more about thank you for the ritual weapons for PVE and PVP

I find Ticuu works pretty well in 6v6, plenty of potential mayhem with the perks in that bow. I agree PvP is not fun at the moment because of the horrible imbalance though. But yes, in general it'd be nice to always provide a choice. Bungie should embrace both PvE and PvP with open arms, some people like one or the other, some (like me) enjoy both. And [i]keep the damn sandbox in balance[/i], pretty please :)

I agree completely. Ticuu's is a great fun PvE bow, and I did manage to stumble through the catalyst kills thing (though I suck at PvP and do not enjoy it), but it would have been great if it was something like 50 yellowbar kills in Master or above NF's. Or whatever.

Excellent feedback. This or similar to it has been said many times before in this forum. I don't know why this is still happening in the game. If they did add in the game separate options for quest completions before. And then still continues to take away that option by pushing you to do it on both PvE and PvP sandboxes on some quests. Then it only means one thing. CONTROL! When they force things on you, they mean to control when and where you are playing. Micromanaging players choice is something I always frown upon from these guys. That's why I hated sunsetting and was very vocal against it! It's gotten to the point where it's just becoming cringey! It's like a nanny is holding your hand while you play videogames. Cringe!

I would agree tying the catalyst to PvP is annoying. I think they should offer it as a path, with say a PvE kill counting for 1/5 of a PvP kill, so it doesn’t punish PvP, but instead allows for more flexibility.