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9/19/2019 9:21:36 PM
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Destiny 2, IDE (Debuggers) and Bans

Hello Guardians, I was recently reading a reply from @BNGSecurity to a banned account related post. Here is the [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/253609891?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]link[/url] In the reply, BNGSecurity stated the following: [quote] [b]To be clear:[/b] We do not punish players for having Visual Studio (or similar programs) running in the background without interacting with the Destiny process. Only by targeting the running Destiny process will players have their accounts banned. This is rigorously verified for each punishment.[/quote] Although I appreciate the clarification from BNGSecurity, I will highly advise against having ANY IDE (Visual Studio or other) opened while the game is running. The simple reason is that as a player, you do not have full control on the interactions these programs have with any running process on your pc (Specially Destiny 2). Let me give you a personal example. My account was permanently banned for the following reason: [quote]Your account was banned for using a debugger to analyze the Destiny 2 game process in real-time. While offline, static analysis is allowed, analyzing the game process with a debugger at runtime is prohibited, as detailed in our Bans & Restrictions policies page Your ban has been reviewed and upheld. EDIT: This behavior was detected on July 26th at approximately 7pm PST. [/quote] The quote above was provided by BGNSecurity after I posted a post about my account being banned here in the forums. You can see the entire discussion [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/253028637?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]here[/url] I was in disbelief since I have no idea what debugger the game detected. I thought maybe Visual Studio caused it but I didnt recall having it running while paying the game. However, using the info provided to me, I was able to figure out the exact application. In short, I opened NVidia NSight when trying to open NVidia GForce while Playing D2. Based on my experience, I can say that this application interacts on its own with whatever processes the game or Bungie doesn't want you to interact. Hence, the detection was triggered and the PERMANENT ban issued. So my suggestion to anyone reading this is to AVOID having any IDE running while playing Destiny 2. Don't risk losing your account and being labeled as a cheater. Specially, when you never try to cheat. [b]I am not trying to refute [/b]@BNGSecurity clarification about players not being banned for running IDE in the background when the game is running. However, one thing I know for certain is that these application seems to be able to interact with the game processes without you knowing. And, once the game detects these type of violation (whether you are aware of them happening or not) you will be eligible for a permanent ban. After being banned, I removed all IDEs from my PC and got another account. However, having to start from Zero, Losing 2 years worth of grind, great personal experiences with my characters, friends and lot of time and money, it is something I wish never happens to anyone who like me play the game legit and don't try to cheat. Keep those guardians safe!
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  • I was shocked to see Gears 5 and EasyAntiCheat shut me down for having ASUS Aura RGB Software running on my PC. I wasnt banned, but the game just wouldn't load until I shut down the process. I had been playing D2 for about a month with that running in the background. I never got anything from Bungie, and my account hasn't been banned (anyone looking at my poor Crucible performance would know i wasn't cheating). I wasn't going to uninstall it, but after researching why EAC doesn't allow it, I did uninstall it though. Even though I'm kind of on a D2 cooldown, I may pick it up in the future, and I'd hate to lose my toys. Just an FYI for anyone else with an ASUS board running Aura.

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    • I think Bungie has in that case even bigger problems then I thought. (And I'll need to do some heavy duty debugging of Destiny 2 because I am having some rare game-affecting issues like constant minimizations, random actions like throwing grenade even when there is no keyboard or mouse input and inability to throw javelin on Mars - and no other game suffers from them)

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    • Just dont play on PC.

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      • I'm sorry to say this but if you do debugging for a regular day-to-day thing, you know that you do not game on the same Windows drive/partition that you code or debug on. I mean this is like basic 101 type stuff. It's not only Bungie's anti-cheat that can get you melted, but Punkbuster and almost all the other EA anti-cheat softwares along with I'm pretty sure uPlay's. How do they say it from Game of Thrones ... "this is known"

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        • The moral of this topic is: Don't have Destiny 2 on the same PC with developer, cheat and debugger tools.

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        • I will bump this for awareness👋

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        • Hi, that's a great write up on having debuggers and other IDE's open while playing Destiny. Its good to get this information out there so other people don't do what I did and get banned for running a debugger on the destiny.exe file. While I still believe my ban was unjustified, because I am also a legit player and had no intention of hacking or cheating, its a lesson well learned. Also for more clarification, I also believe my ban was unjustified because I had no intention of running the debugger on the Destiny.exe file, rather, another program I was trying to debug.

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        • Visual studio doesn't debug or even interact anything by itself, you clearly debugged something while the game was running, doesn't matter what you were analyzing. Why would anyone do that?

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          • Good on you bud. This is a great write up and a great service to help inform others.

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            • 由Decca1705編輯: 9/20/2019 7:21:49 AM
              It is important that players understand both that Bungie is not the enemy, and also that you need to be very careful what you have open with Destiny. Take my bump for awareness.

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              • [quote]In short, I opened NVidia NSight when trying to open NVidia GForce while Playing D2.[/quote] After all, you turned to Nvidia with a claim that you were banned through their fault and lost money for the game?

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                • Better solution: Keep Destiny 2 on a personal computer. Not a developer or work computer.

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                • The sad truth is that due to how easy it to cheat on a PC that Bungie has to take a "zero tolerance" policy to protect there property and other players trying to just enjoy themselves. This is in fact a war between Bungie and the people who create and those who use cheats but sometimes innocents get court in the middle because of a accident they made but could be used to create or disguise cheat code. The big difference between Bungie and most other games companies is only that they do not publish the number of bans issued as a scare tactic as some other companies do.

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                • 由Corogue編輯: 9/20/2019 7:05:01 AM
                  Great. Now I don't want to bring my account anywhere near a PC. I had made a post similar to yours inquiring what triggers cheat detection, and got some answers. It's hard to keep track of what every single user-installed piece of software on a computer does behind the scenes. I use IDE software too like Eclipse on my computer, and I don't want to become another victim, so I may have to play Destiny 2 only on a video game console. Sorry you had to learn the hard way =(

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