If they can add back in all the stuff they stripped out from d1 yr3 I think the game will be able to start moving forward. It seems like their intention is to do this given some of the things they’ve said recently . I think it’s fair to say they now at least understand where a lot of the issues lie . How well they do with this I guess time will tell.

Yeah I have no doubt they know how to make a good game, or how to fix D2. It's just a shame most people would have moved on before and they cannot undo the damage they have done to their brand. Personally I won't be buying another bungie game at launch and depending on player feedback and reviews of trusted sources, at all

Totally agree . In fact I just typed something nearly identical in a different thread haha. I think looking beyond the game it’s been kinda sad watching the community fragment and become so angry . As much as I hate to say it bungie haven’t done anything to help themselves looking back at the xp and content lock out stuff . Im amazed after all of these things and the battlefront 2 disaster they would just blindly release a piece of content so blatantly built around eververse . I think the management needs a major shake up to really get things back on track .

I need to save it as a txt file lol. I've reworded the same opinion so many times now. I'm not as angry as some of the community seem to be but I also am really disappointed in the choices they have made. I don't think getting rid of eververse will help since the game they built was designed with this in mind. I (and I imagine most of the community) was much more forgiving with D1 as it was a new IP and their first venture away from Microsoft, but after 3 years and hundreds of ££s spent they don't seem to have learnt anything valuable from it and have released a game that is worse than year 3 of the previous game

Yup , if it helps you to understand how this happened consider this . D2 was developed in a separate ‘bubble’ to d2 , the live team took over d1 after taken king I believe ( when it started to really improve) . Anything after the taken king was kind of not taken into account within d2 so it was in effect being developed off past ideas . You can kind of see this when you look at the story . Siva became a pretty big concept in yr3, as well as the iron lords . Listen to Saladin during the next iron banner , there is no real acknowledgment of that period of the story , in fact there are a few things that contradict it . In itself it’s kind of odd siva isn’t really mentioned in d2 as well given there is concept art of Nessus covered in siva . It’s only a small example but it does highlight the problem they’ve run into . It was essentially like making 2 games with 2 story’s at the same time , d2 starts where the taken king left off . Basically the d2 team didn’t keep track of what was happening with d1 from ttk onwards .

I dropped out before year 2 because of how lack lister the first 2 DLCs were and my fireteam left so I didn't want to use LFG for raids. But I have heard about the lord salad tongs stuff, it seems like it's been completely ignored which is not great for a continuous expansive world between D1 and D2

Well they have this weird thing about expansions being like branches , they don’t directly continue the story . A bit like curse of Osiris didn’t fit with the d2 story line

Yeah the stories are a bit odd too, oh no we've lost our powers, oh wait we have them all back but we've switched out some with others and everything is back to normal. Enter vague Osiris backstory, tease some awesome Osiris story and then spend the entire time in a simulation where every mission has a 5 min infinite forest stuffed in front of it. I'll leave the lore to byf but I was left wondering what the hell happened to the most notorious guardian in destinys world

It’s odd , why they dont vaguely tie back into the story I really don’t know . It’s like you get the base game story and nothing moves on after that