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Why the cabal are here

Definition of Cabal: The articles or intrigues of a group of persons secretly united in a plot. Or another more simple one: a secret political clique or faction. What we know of the cabal in game to date is not the Cabal empire itself. Based on grimoire, the cabal we have fought, is a scout team that does not appear to have insight into the why they are here, just orders on what they are supposed to do. Meaning they don’t even know the reasons behind the Cabal proper, the empire giving them their orders. It is unknown how big the inner circle of cabal leaders who are in on the “secret plot” that drives the Cabal Empire. One thing we do know, is they are military based, and while not necessarily interested in invading us (they might be, we don’t know), they have no issue attacking us on sight without provocation. So without a lot of grimoire basis on why the Cabal are here, we only have what we have seen. So here is what we “know”: 1. No evidence the Cabal were present in our solar system before the collapse. Meaning it appears they came after the collapse. Meaning something happened to bring them here. 2. The Cabal have made no attempt to claim the Traveler. They’ve shown very little interest in the Traveler, unlike the Hive and Fallen who are solely focused on it. 3. The Cabal [i]have[/i] shown interest in both the Warminds and the Dreadnaught. So why have they shown interest in the Warminds and the Dreadnaught, but not the Traveler? My simple explanation is because they are a war faring species and the Warminds and Dreadnaught are powerful weapons. The Traveler, while powerful, is not a weapon, so they don’t care. They want new super weapons for their war, whatever it may be. Maybe they want them for revenge (grimoire loosely alludes to the possibility the cabal homeworld was destroyed by something; card Cabal 2). Maybe they want to conquer and expand the empire. Either way, they need weapons. Big ones. In sequence of timing, the Cabal show up on Mars, establish an exclusion zone and start digging and looking for the Mars’ Warmind. I believe what brought them to our system was Rasputin going all “aurora knives” on the darkness with his orbital doomsday weapons (sabre green) which got their attention and interest. A weapon that helped push back the darkness and actually survived the collapse? Who doesn’t want that? This is what the Psion Flayers are doing on Mars in the Dust Palace strike, looking for the Martian warmind. Read Card Rasputin 2, and watch the Cabal’s reaction when Rasputin blasts them with an orbital strike. They want that shit! Fun side note, we made that happen when we started up the array in Skywatch in the vanilla mission, which allowed Rasputin to gain control of the other warminds. Of course the game does a poor job explaining the significance of that mission, but the grimoire card shows the results which is Rasputin raining death on the Vex and Cabal with orbital strikes on Mars. So while the Cabal are holed up on Mars digging in the sand for a warmind, Oryx shows up with a brand new superweapon, the Dreadnaught. Ohhhh, what’s that, an even bigger weapon that you can fly around in? So what does the Cabal do? They stop looking for the mars warmind, and instead grab their ship and crash it into the dreadnaught after getting new orders. Primus Ta’aun has no idea why he’s crashing his ship into the dreadnaught, but orders are orders. So he does it, at a great cost. And it should be noted they weren’t trying to destroy the dreadnaught to help us or even necessarily trying to kill Oryx, they were trying to “capture the hive flagship. At any cost.” (Cabal 3). They wanted that weapon, everything else was secondary. What threat are the Cabal? To date, minimal. I mean, they are a militarized force in our solar system who have no issue attacking us, so that definitely sucks. But they aren’t actively trying to invade Earth or seek out our destruction either. At least not yet. If they got their hands on the dreadnaught or warmind, who knows what they would do. The might go all death star on us and blow earth up (I know Episode VII was cool, but star killer base sounds dumb and I am old school so death star it is). Or they might leave with their new toy and go blow something else up, and never bother us again. It is over simplifying things, but that is really what I believe the Cabal are here for. Weapons. But that is only why they are here in our solar system.. Back to my opening sentence, there are secrets to the purpose of the Empire we do not understand yet. The real question is what do they plan on doing with those weapons once they get them?
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  • 由Haffoc編輯: 9/18/2016 9:41:56 AM
    The interest in the Dreadnaught was because it contained High ranking Hive. The Cabal know the Hive have the ability to permanently kill Guardians and destroy ghosts. That is what the attack on the Dreadnaught was about - to capture their command and learn how to kill us permenantly.

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  • You say that the Cabal attack us on sight without provocation, but that's not really true; our first interaction with the Cabal was breaking into one of their bases to hijack their communication relays, their initial attack on us was defensive. Even Zavala recognizes this at the start of the Valus strike when saying "Whether we wanted it or no, we've started a war with the Cabal on Mars." Aside from that, why are the Cabal in our system? The simple answer is that their empire is fleeing from the Darkness and they are sending scout ships to any system that might provide them with the technology to fight back. They went to Mars in hopes of harnessing the power of the Vex, finding out there was a Warmind there was an added bonus. After we destroyed the Heart of the Garden, and disabled the Vault of Glass and the Vex conflux network the Cabal lost interest in the now weakened Vex technology and began focusing on taking power from the Hive by crashing into the Dreadnaught and trying to steal it's technology. Now, the better question is, why haven't the Cabal sent an invasion force to retaliate against the Vanguard? My guess is that the Empire recognized that the both of our forces are working towards the same goal of driving back the Darkness; sending forces to go to full scale war with the Vanguard would ruin any potential chance of an alliance. I predict that when Destiny 2 launches and the Darkness takes center stage as our biggest threat we will actually join forces with the Cabal to stop our common enemies. This would explain why despite having 5 pieces of content release we haven't had a major conflict with the Cabal.

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    • Man I hope someday there will be a game about cabal empire itself it sounds so interesting l

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      • The cabal don't have a word for retreat. *bond bro flees*

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        • The cabal are here to search for their leader's mother. Last spotted location :on earth. Hovering above the last city.

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        • Cabal strategist: Val An'us

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        • Havn't you played the alternate 80's ending to the cerberus vae iii strike? The final boss literally tells us why they're here: [quote]The Cabal are here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... ...and we're all out of bubblegum!!! ~ Valus Ta'aurc ~[/quote]

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        • 由RogueReven編輯: 9/15/2016 2:28:39 PM
          They are in our solar system trying to find out what the vex know of the Hive. They boarded the Dreadnought to learn the hives anti dead person tactics.

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          • The Cabal are here for acquisition and study of Vex tech. That is not their singular objective, but it is their primary reason for being here. The only reason they attacked the Dreadnought was because they learned the Hive supposedly had excellent anti-guardian weapons, and we had finally become enough of a nuisance to warrant pursuing specialized weapons. They're interested in the Warminds likely due to a combination of hoping to gain access to the weapons, and because the Warminds are their best bet on acquiring our Golden-Age research on the Vex.

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            • Tbh they sound like America. Big and power hungry.

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              • The enemy of my enemy is my friend... I think we will forged an alliance with the cabal empire to help them overthrow a darkness that dooms them and requires the travellers intervention to save them

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              • Hey buddy, cool idea. But the cabal crashed on the dreadnaught because they fear us, the guardians. We can come back from death and kill them over and over again. Oryx comes in this dreadnaught, and the primus Tau'aun is ordered to crash onto the dreadnaught and capture oryx to gain control of the taken. They believe they can beat us by coming back to life (taken). They don't understand the traveler is the reason, so they don't attack that.

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                • You've shown up quite a lot in the lore community in the past week. I don't know where you came from (I haven't seen you before), but your stuff is good, so keep it up

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                  • That makes sense, because there I recall a lot of speculation in the grimoire cards that the cabal are being chased rather than chasing us.

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                  • I feel like we mat take the fight to them or negotiate with them. I always found confusing about the bottom left of the screen when you open up the directory and it says Local Sol Group Milky Way Galaxy Something like that and I'm like, "what the hell does that mean? Why is it there?"

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                    • I always thought it was vex technology, but wait wait. What if the cabal are also here to search for weapons like you said? The vex have a pretty unique opportunity of time like skolas tried to do with the wolves. Figuring that out could go back to save their planet. But yea, while they're here, any other weapons they can find are also good. So why are they only on Mars? They only have their two or so fleets. Mars was barren, deserted, and only occupied by vex around their constructs. It has two moons that give strategic advantage to the cabal, and it isn't a planet the vex are actively trying to turn into a vex mind (perhaps because the cabal were there at all)

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                    • Given that, I'm surprised they haven't approached us with at least the offer of a cease-fire, or even an alliance. Because Guardians among are the most formidable weapons in the system. If I were a Cabal general, I'd drool at the thought of having heavily armed warriors with space magic, who could endlessly revive themselves from death, under my command. Or at least on my side.

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                      • Great... An army of meatheads... I take it back the canal raid would be boring as -blam!- it would be like clearing the adds out in Crotas end right before Crota just multiplied by 100....

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                      • The Cabal on Mars are just a small pocket army. There is a whole Empire of them out somewhere with ranking systems that reach above waaay above Valus. DLC will be $69.95 released in 2017

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                        • Holy shit, if the Darkness is an entity, we could just detonate the Dreadnaught on it... It has a blast radius of almost the whole solar system, according to Cayde-6.

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                        • The Cabal wanted to take over the solar system. They were not expecting much resistance, so they only sent in a small "scouting" crew The Cabal set up on mars, where they could get a stronghold, and began looking for the warmind there. The guardians and Vex were able to begin breaking up the Cabal, who underestimated us (specifically the guardians). Because they didn't know what to to with zombies that just kept getting up. When Oryx came to the Sol System, he carried with him the secret to killing us guardians So the Cabal attacked the Dreadnaught because they were looking for something that could kill us, which the Hive and their darkness knew. [i][/i] And that is why the Cabal are here: to take over our solar system, and kill or enslave us. I doubt they care about the fallen, and they could belittle them into obscurity if they wanted, but they don't pose much of a threat, and even allied with some of them. The Vex are an unstoppable, time travelling race, but the Cabal, with enough manpower, er, Cabal-power, can push them back. Still, they are a problem, as much as us. But if they could defeat one of their enemies...

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                        • Bump to read on the toilet later......

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                          • Could've sworn hearing the cabal came here because they were running from something, probably Oryx, and the suicide mission to bomb the dreadnaughts core was a last ditch effort when they thought they were cornered. That was, until we killed the bastard in his own realm.

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                          • They are interested in the warminds because they are ultimate weapons, and they weren't interested in the dreadnaught itself, they were interested in oryx, who knew how to kill guardians. Since the cabal are not agents of the darkness, and have nothing to do with the war they have no understanding of it, or how us guardians revive. And here's a freaky thought, if they weren't as aggressive as they are there could have been a potential alliance of cabal and hive. They may have even been allowed to have worms as long as they agreed to the tithe that all hive pay towards they next in command.

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                          • Good read, hopefully we get more focus on the cabal soon with destiny 2. I'd love if that distress signal brings out bulk of their forces to wage an all out war with out sonar system. Have the last city blazing and in ruins with big ass cabal shits orbiting in the background for our social space

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