Mythbusting Lore Speculation. There has been a wealth of speculative theories out there that I’ve seen lots of support for. Some theories operate in the gray areas where there is either support for or against them, so they are [i]possible[/i]. Others are flat out in contrast to established grimoire and are wrong. I’m far from a lore expert, but do know it well. So let’s get to mythbusting our favorite lore theories. If anyone else has ones they’d like to add, let me know.
Personal Favorite: The traveler tried to flee and abandon humanity during the collapse like it had done in the past. BUSTED.
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Three different grimoire cards specifically state that this time the traveler stayed.
Excerpt from card: The Traveler
“Where did the traveler come from? Why did it offer us so much? Did it know it was being hunted across the stars? [b]And why, when the Darkness came, did it choose to stay and fight for us?[/b]
Excerpt from the card: Ghost Fragment: The Traveler 2
“This has been such a long chase. [b]This will be the place you will fight. Fight and win. [/b]
Excerpt from the card: Ghost Fragment: Mysteries (my notes in parenthesis)
“IT (the darkness) is alone and IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener (the Traveler) and she held power beyond me (Rasputin) [b]but the gardener did not shrug (abandon humanity) and make herself alone[/b]. IT always wins.”
What confuses people is card Rasputin 5, where it clearly shows rasputin talking about attacking the "O", traveler, if it tries to leave. Many read this card as present tense. It is not, it is future tense. Rasputin 5 is Rasputin developing what if scenarios and his response if those scenarios occur. So IF Rasputin sees the traveler flee, he will attack it to cripple it.
Read the darkness cards. They show rasputins actual response (what he did do) when the darkness showed up. He ran all the protocols he planned in Rasputin 5, except LOKI Crown, which is the attack the traveler scenario. His last act is going midnight (in hiding) and signing off. Rasputin didn't run LOKI Crown.
To be clear, something definitely damaged the traveler during the collapse. And the traveler may very well have been damaged by Rasputin and its “aurora knives” doomsday weapons through collateral damage as Rasputin fired on the darkness. And yes, Rasputin was prepared to attack the traveler if it thought the traveler was leaving as noted in Rasputin 5. But the traveler didn’t flee, so something else happened that day that we don’t yet.
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A Classic. The traveler is evil! BUSTED.
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Without getting mired the semantics of what is good vs evil and their relative views…let’s keep it simple. Good = promotes life; Evil – eliminates life. The classic good vs evil in Destiny is the Sky/Light vs the Deep/Darkness. The Traveler is aligned with the Sky, the Hive/Worms aligned with the Deep. In the book of sorrows, the traveler, agent of the sky, is described as follows:
Excerpts from Verse 1:8
“Sky builds gentle places, safe for life. Beloved fundament, refuge of trillions. The Sky treasures this rich place.”
“The Sky builds new life. Against the onset of ruin. Towards a gentle world”
Throughout the book of sorrows, the worms repeatedly talk about how useless the traveler and the sky were for building up and promoting life, and that their efforts only prolong the inevitable outcome the darkness seeks to speed up by eliminating life. So no major plot twist. The traveler is genuinely trying to promote life and growth, aka not evil
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Eris is actually Savathun/Xivu/Taox. BUSTED.
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Eris is a guardian, hunter actually (yes, a hunter, even Luke Smith admitted he incorrectly called her a warlock once). Eris had a ghost, from the traveler, before she lost it trying to defeat Crota. Meaning she was once dead, and her ghost revived her, just like us and every other guardian. So unless Savthun/Xivu/Taox came to earth, took on a human form, died, and was able to fool the Traveler’s ghost into reviving them, then no, she is not any of those three.
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Cayde-6 used to be/is a mind copy of Dr. Shim. BUSTED.
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Cayde’s journal says it all. Cayde, when he was human, was a mercenary running jobs for Clovis Bray (founder of the Clovis Bray facility on Mars, creator of the warminds). Cayde messed up one of the jobs and ended up owing Clovis Bray a lot of money, to which Clovis Bray offered Cayde an…opportunity, to forgive his debt. Next we see Cayde in his journal, he’s an exo after taking up Clovis’ offer. And as an Exo, he is placed in a security role over Maya Sundaresh and her research. In fact, it appears Cayde is attracted to Maya, but Maya doesn’t pay him any attention, as he is just a “fixture, an unwanted necessity”. Cayde says it himself, he’s “no egghead. Never was”. Dr. Shim worked with Maya on the pre-cursor exo technology at Ishtar. Shim was definitely an egghead. Maya knew Shim well. Cayde was just a robot sentry in the corner of the lab keeping watch, that Maya never really noticed.
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Maya Sundaresh is the Exo Stranger. PROBABLE
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Maya makes a lot of sense, but there is no definitive grimoire statement that says she is the exo stranger. So let’s at least look at the reasons it is possible:
Facts about the Exo Stranger:
· It’s a she (female)
· She’s an exo
· She doesn’t have a ghost, aka, not a guardian
· She can teleport/jump between timelines
So for any theory to work, the person has to be able to satisfy or be tied to scenarios on all 4 bullets. Start with the easiest, Maya is a she. For grimoire sake, I’m saying Exo’s maintain the gender of the original human mind it was created from.
Second, the stranger is an Exo. In the Vex ghost fragment card, it shows Maya and her other Ishtar scientist participating in research of the Vex. They get trapped in a Vex simulation, only to be saved by a warmind. They also save copies of themselves (mind copies) which they then later, using remote mechanical bodies (Exo precursor), upload their mind copies into the Vex network. This is the pre-cursor research that lead to the Exos being created. Later, in Cayde’s journal, we see Maya working around Exos. So, to that point, we can at least link Maya back in the golden age to being both participant in the development of Exos, and also being around them.
Maya is definitely not a guardian, never had a ghost.
She can teleport. Who else teleports? Vex. Maya knew more about the Vex than anyone in the golden age. She uploaded copies of her own mind into the Vex network to explore and learn. What are the odds one of those mind copies figured out how the Vex manipulate timelines? In fact, to date, only the 4 Ishtar Scientist (Shim, Chioma, Duane and Maya) are known to have put their minds into the vex network, and would appear to be the only ones in a position to have a mind copy capable of the vex time jumping knowledge.
But there is more that makes Maya possible than this. After the whole mind copy Vex research, Maya starts a new project… the vision machine. The vision machine, later referred to by the FWC as the device, has strong links to the Exo Stranger. Back in the golden age, Maya and a warmind are putting humans in the vision machine that allows them to see other timelines (again, this is likely only possible with the knowledge her mind copies would have gathered from the Vex). Despite the use of drugs, they can’t get humans minds to last in the machine, and either kill them or drive them made. So they need Exos whose minds are more capable to survive the machine (another tie back to Maya’s Exo connection). Maya is sad, she misses her love (Chioma) and as noted in the Vex 5 card, Maya starts to enter the machine herself, and does eventually encounter Chioma in one of the timeline visions.
Maya wants to be back with Chioma, and says she’s quitting her research and will join Chioma in the vision machine soon. This should be noted as the origins of the FWC, as Maya states in Vex 5 “Maybe it’ll become a tradition. The gospel of our little cult”.
Maya would have known from her research that she couldn’t permanently enter the machine as a human. She saw the long term effects it had. She would have needed to be an Exo to do so.
Later, in the FWC cards, as the FWC puts people in the device much like Maya used to, some people encounter a “stranger” as they view future timelines. Also, Lakshmi-2, leader of the FWC, talks about the exo stranger as well.
So what do we have amidst all my ramblings? Maya is the most likely known candidate to be the Exo Stranger. She was uniquely positioned to have both the vex knowledge, and exo knowledge, and the motivation to become exo. She laid the ground work for the FWC which to this day continues to have ties to the Exo Stranger. If Maya isn’t the Exo Stranger, maybe she is Lakshmi-2. Either way, I’d say the myth is probable right now.
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Link to more below: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/193652918/0/0/1
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I don't have time to explain, but I lean more toward Elise Bray being the Stranger. [spoiler]No pun intended.[/spoiler]
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The ahamkara are not the worm gods. They worship the worm gods and don't have larva. They gain power through pure worship
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The "queen" that Eris refers to is Savathûn, who helped Eris out of the pit. Savathûn helped Eris because she knew that she was trying to kill Crota. After her escape, she is loyal to Savathûn and recruits another fireteam (you) to take on Crota again. Savathûn really wants to just destroy Oryx, and make herself Queen of the Hive. At the end of The Taken King, she confirms that the Guardians were the "key" to getting the shard found in Oryx's sword. She of course gives part of it to the Guardians to make their swords, but keeps the essential parts for Savathûn. Eris is far from a villian, but an ally with a questionable backstory and motives. Their is no doubt in my mind that her story will play a larger part in the future. Correct if you believe I'm wrong, I'm just going off of things I've heard every now and then. [spoiler]Did you know? Eris implemented acolyte eyes into herself to see in the dark while in the Hellmouth. It is also most likely a tomb husk that she carries around.[/spoiler]
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Awesome read man. Thanks. What are your thoughts on the worms and their relationship to ahamkara?
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Didnt the travler destory the hive home world by messing up the gravity causing giant waves??? So to the hive wouldnt the travler be evil...
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The Hive, in a way, failed a test of the Darkness. Something Auryx realized before becoming Oryx. That, to truly become powerful as the Darkness imagines power, one must take things for themself rather than being given the power. This is why Auryx kills Akka, the Worm god, to become Oryx, King of Shapes. But, by being given the larvae, Oryx knows that the Hive are doomed to die once there is nothing left to feed them. The Darkness doesn't want everything to die, it just only wants those who truly follow its ideals to be the only survivors.
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由A Rising Wind編輯: 10/26/2016 1:53:22 PMMore The traveler used to be with the Fallen. CONFIRMED. [spoiler] Variks talks about the traveler, or as they know it, the Great Machine. So does Skolas. The Fallen want it back. They had their own golden age and subsequent collapse. Let’s start in the card, Variks, The Loyal: “First, the Great Machine. Then, sky fell away. Whirlwind ripped away the past. All honor lost, all hope.” The whirlwind being the Fallen’s version of the collapse, the darkness. Or in general dialogue with Variks if you visit him in the reef: “One day soon I will tell you the story of how our world ended. I’ll tell you the story of the Great Machine.” “Do you think the Great Machine has noticed what we did? Will it speak to me again? Tell me where the great Eliksni (fallen) have gone?” And the we now have a glimpse of what the Fallen homeworld looked like during their golden age, from Mystery: Vault of Glass: “It’s a paradise. Carefully tended lakes and rivers, water everywhere, wind their way between fields of lush iridescent crops and into groves of starkly colored trees. Every inch of the land seems engineered, brushed by a sculptor’s hand for form and function both. The sky is a light pink, spotted with clouds and crowded with ships. Thick lanes of aerial traffic soar through the air, tightly managed and seemingly endless. And beyond it all, above the clouds, hangs a perfect alabaster (white) sphere.” That’s basically the story of the Fallen, why they are here. They were once a great civilization, the Eliksni. But the whirlwind happened, their species scattered. The traveler didn’t stay for them, they didn’t get the ghost and travelers light. They became Fallen. And they want the Great Machine back. Which is why they attacked the city at Twilight Gap. [/spoiler] The traveler caused the god wave (Syzygy)? BUSTED. [spoiler] The syzygy, aka God wave, is the primary fear that resulted in the krill people (hive before they were hive) to accept the worm’s bargain, and ingest the parasite that ultimately turned them into the hive we now know. The krill people were weak, basically the prey to all the other species, lowest in the food chain. Long story short, the hive were tricked by the worms. The worms created a fear in the krill that would be make them desperate enough to accept their bargain and their parasite. The krill king, the Osmium King, (Oryx’ dad) was the first to become aware of the pending God wave, a gravity wave that would destroy his species. The king was told of the god wave by a worm he kept in a jar (ie: one of the worm larvae). Taox, the queen, thought him insane and killed him, and tried to kill his children too. The kings children (later known as Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu) fled down into the deepest parts of their gas giant planet and encounter the worm gods. The worm gods feed this fear of the god wave (and the siblings desire for revenge on Taox for killing their father) and convince them to accept the worm parasite, making them immortal so long as they feed the parasites through killing. This starts the journey of the hive. In time, the hive are strong enough to leave the gas giant, and they find the traveler in nearby orbit helping a species (Ammonites). The worms point the finger to the traveler as the creator of the god wave and which directs the hives aggression to trying to destroy it. The Hive believe the traveler tried to destroy their species when they were weak, but now they were the hive and strong, and could fight back. Enter the leviathan, who is a mysterious entity but an ally to the sky and traveler. It tried to warn the siblings to avoid diving into the deep and meeting the worms. As the hive destroy the Ammonites and force the traveler to flee, the leviathan pleads on last time with the hive, and tells them to “Open your eyes. Who made you monsters? Who summoned the wave?” So much as we hate the hive (and rightly so now), their origin is more one of tragedy and deceit. They were weak and afraid, constant victims to events outside their control. They were fed a lie of a god wave by deceitful agents of the deep, the worm gods. Worm gods who created a threat so grave that a poor, weak species would be desperate enough to accept immortality at a terrible price. Once the hive accepted the bargain, the worm gods, who already had demonstrated they could manipulate the environment of the fundament (how they mention to the siblings that is only through the worm god’s will that they are not crushed under the extreme pressure of the gas giant core), create the god wave, as a way to show the hive they were correct in accepting the deal, allowing them to direct their anger at the traveler as a scape goat, and as a side benefit, killing off the other remaining species in the fundament. Had the hive not taken the deal? God wave wouldn’t have happened. The worm gods had tried to get other species to take the deal. They wouldn’t kill off all the species of the fundament with a god wave until at least one had taken the deal. The hive were manipulated by the deep. And later embraced it. [/spoiler]
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I agree with most of the sentiments in here but I do want to point out that the stories in the grimoire shouldn't be taken as absolute truth as many of them are written from characters own biased points of view. Not saying what you have is wrong just thought I'd put it out there.
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