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The_Prince_Of_Wishes: Their vision was as logical as the speaker, it seems...
[b]404Architect[/b]: Funny enough, the Speaker was much different in the original version of the game. There is a reason that Bill Nighy was chosen to be his voice actor, and much of his recorded dialogue is not in the shipped game. I am not certain if that storyline will ever be seriously pursued now that so many changes have been made.
truemeliorist: If you are able to say, is the feedback from the community about these things missing swaying that vision at all? Or is it more of a "you'll get what we want to give you" sort of vision?
[b]404Architect[/b]: All feedback is heard, even if you do not see a response. It is all taken to heart.
TheFiremind88: It's a simple yes or no question. If people were to organize and protest so much content being cut, is there any way it could motivate Action/Bungie to put any more of that content out closer to what was intended? It us a good game, but I think a GREAT game was advertised and intended. I personally bought a 400 dollar gaming system for THIS game. I know I'm not alone either. Despite you guys making a good game, can't help but feel cheated.
[b]404Architect[/b]: Your wallet speaks more than any words do to some extent, but even with that said flagging sales will not inspire a change back to the original paradigm. If Destiny stops bringing in money it will stop having new content developed. Voicing your concerns, opinions, and comments is critical to informing the development team as to what direction to continue going in, however. Everyone knows the reaction to the storyline, but I don't know what will come of that recognition.
TheFiremind88: So, say there was something done, like, Boycott DLC in response to feeling let down, are you saying that's more likely to just motivate them to pull the plug as opposed to giving the people what they expected? Even if we're not moving onto the original intended design, honestly just a reasonably cohesive story, and some additional content would certainly help quell the masses.
[b]404Architect[/b]: I can't say with any authority what Activision would do, but waning sales usually means no money to continue support and lack of incentive to continue support.
oldknave: Are people/the higher ups at Bungie aware of how nonsensical and poor/short people have perceived the story as being, and how repetitive the content seems to be, or is there kind of an attitude of "we think everything we made is great."
[b]404Architect[/b]: Everyone is acutely aware of reaction to the story. How much that will change the "vision" for Destiny is unclear to me.
DLC sales figures will be closely watched.
RagnarokSam: Did the original vision include more planets/locations? It seems the grimore cards mention Mercury and Saturn in some context, but perhaps that's just supplemental lore rather than anything that was intended to be player interactive.
[b]404Architect[/b]: Yes. Several more were planned.
StaticSilence: Is/was Jason Jones aware and supportive of this lobotomy to the story? Or is activision forcing their will upon bungie. Are the employees at bungie already regretting signing a ten year deal with activision?
Any answer you give can't be verified so I take what u say with many grains of salt.
[b]404Architect[/b]: I won't speak to his motivations, that isn't my place to say. Activision isn't solely at fault for the way Destiny turned out. Many choices were made, not all of them reflective of the original spirit of the game.
GoCallYourMommy: I hope you guys get the opportunity to see your vision come to life then. I think the graphics are great, the gameplay is fun. As a 40 year old gamer who has to hide my hobby from my peers (Ha) and own every major system/platform in history I hope that comes with some satisfaction to hear. But your situation doesn't seem to be unusual for 2014 developers really. I hope the cash pours in and you guys can tell the bean counters to -blam!- off eventually.
[b]404Architect[/b]: 500+ million in the first week. Destiny made back its development cost in 7 days.
GoCallYourMommy: Jesus Christ. That's some Call of Duty numbers. I had no idea. -blam!-ers better reinvest or they are missing out on the long term gravy train!!
[b]404Architect[/b]: Admittedly its less than that in real dollars, but $500 million in units were shipped to stores. That's, largely, how publishers inflate sales figures using the term "sell in." But that's how COD likely gets its numbers as well, so its a fair comparison.
[b]404Architect[/b]: Thank you for the kind words, Bungie has a lot of hard-working people at it who perform exceptionally under great pressure and tight deadlines. With that, I'm closing up my participation in the AMA, I think I've said enough. Thank you to everyone who reached out and kept things so civil.
See you starside. [/quote]
Part 3: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/70902004/0/0/1
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Keep this thread alive!
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An unconfirmed reddit post? Since when is that legitimate information?
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Seems legit though! Seems like he knows wat hes talking about and not just making some random shit up. Theres no way to prove its true im just saying that it seems legit to me.
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It does to me as well, which is actually why it am skeptical lol
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If it seems real why would u be skeptical? Im not saying believe it but why would u be more skeptical towards something that sounds real apposed to something that doesn't?
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Because it sounds very well thought out, almost rehearsed. Lol i don't honestly know, I'm not gonna be accusing towards Bungie but I'm also not going to give them excuses unless they come out and confirm it.
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I see. Good point
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It honestly doesn't matter to me what happened, I mean I would feel bad if this was true but they are a business. You need to be prepared for every eventuality, and a developer leaving at that stage in development wouldn't "own" the rights to all his work unless he was entirely dishonest and cheating Bungie the whole time.... Meh the point of it all is Destiny isn't what people expect and people are more than willing to point fingers instead of taking it for what it is
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Ya. I just wanna know wat happened! By that i mean what the reason was for gutting the game before launch and the reason behind changing the story. Because i know this game was good at one point and im bummed that they had to change it
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Watch the video chaotic angel posted a couple posts below
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Edited by Zayetj: 10/18/2014 1:30:17 PM
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Im not sure how i feel abou this * im annoyed at activision for forcing the deadline after everything gell apart *im annoyed the game isnt finished (although i do enjoy it) *but im also pissed at this guy for, what could potentially be used against the game and, kicking this flimsy house over. imagine all those people who busted their ass trying to make something out of what the dog left, under deadlines, probably worried they could loose thier job and having families to worry about and this guy pretty much just slated the game for no good reason. sure those who dont like the game wanted to know, those waiting for any excuse to have a pop. This could have waited till a year or two down the line when the game was "finished" dlc wise. now we are expecting a cock up with no story, they cant fix it now because we are expecting it.
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This makes a lot of things make sense. These do sound like the answers of a Dev that's just.. well, sad that the amazing thing they wanted to make was a bit neutered. That said, I have high hopes for Bungie repairing all that was lost in the turmoil to some extent and am looking forward to visiting more planets in future and seeing more of what this orignal vision was. If anything, this gives me hope and makes me excited for things yet to come. Short as it may have been, I've been having loads of fun with the campaign even though I beat it in the first week. I kinda looked at it this way: The shipped story is a prologue, an intro to this mad world you've stepped into already in progress and a primer for things yet unseen and stories yet untold. They have a ten year content plan for this and I'm confident that if Bungie cares as much as they claim to, we'll see a Destiny in a year's time nearly indestinguishable from what it was on launch day, for the better. So thank you, OP, for sharing this. I'm choosing to believe it. Good luck, Bungie. I look forward to your next chapter.
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Wow u love car
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Da Fuq? No wonder this game is a pile of dogshit. Activision and Bungie can kiss any future sales from me good-bye.
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Edited by Dustin1208: 10/9/2014 5:41:40 AMdouble post..
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A MMO Mass Effect sounds interesting. Someone makes this happen.
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And bungie is silent
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Funny how everyone believes this is fake cause ONE person (from bungie who is unconfirmed as well) says it's fake. But hey let's take the side of the person standing up for this sinking ship of a game....
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this game could have been tremendous...instead it's just blah....i keep thinking about the original vision of destiny and all that could have been. that game could have become legend....instead we get this watered down version that while playing when my GF says "honey i need you to help with blah blah blah" i have not problem dropping the controler. i was really looking for a reason to break up with her and the original vision of destiny was the basket i put all those eggs into. don't get me wrong for some reason i don't understand i keep playing it over and over agian at the same time thinking "wow this is really boring" or "what is the story/reason behind this particular event i'm doing". remember grape drink and grape juice look the same and sometimes taste the same but they are not the same formula. right now destiny is grape drink and the original vision is the grape juice i salavate for.