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Continued from [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/70895980/0/0/1]OP:[/url] [quote] The_Prince_Of_Wishes: Their vision was as logical as the speaker, it seems... [b]404Architect[/b]: Funny enough, the Speaker was much different in the original version of the game. There is a reason that Bill Nighy was chosen to be his voice actor, and much of his recorded dialogue is not in the shipped game. I am not certain if that storyline will ever be seriously pursued now that so many changes have been made. truemeliorist: If you are able to say, is the feedback from the community about these things missing swaying that vision at all? Or is it more of a "you'll get what we want to give you" sort of vision? [b]404Architect[/b]: All feedback is heard, even if you do not see a response. It is all taken to heart. TheFiremind88: It's a simple yes or no question. If people were to organize and protest so much content being cut, is there any way it could motivate Action/Bungie to put any more of that content out closer to what was intended? It us a good game, but I think a GREAT game was advertised and intended. I personally bought a 400 dollar gaming system for THIS game. I know I'm not alone either. Despite you guys making a good game, can't help but feel cheated. [b]404Architect[/b]: Your wallet speaks more than any words do to some extent, but even with that said flagging sales will not inspire a change back to the original paradigm. If Destiny stops bringing in money it will stop having new content developed. Voicing your concerns, opinions, and comments is critical to informing the development team as to what direction to continue going in, however. Everyone knows the reaction to the storyline, but I don't know what will come of that recognition. TheFiremind88: So, say there was something done, like, Boycott DLC in response to feeling let down, are you saying that's more likely to just motivate them to pull the plug as opposed to giving the people what they expected? Even if we're not moving onto the original intended design, honestly just a reasonably cohesive story, and some additional content would certainly help quell the masses. [b]404Architect[/b]: I can't say with any authority what Activision would do, but waning sales usually means no money to continue support and lack of incentive to continue support. oldknave: Are people/the higher ups at Bungie aware of how nonsensical and poor/short people have perceived the story as being, and how repetitive the content seems to be, or is there kind of an attitude of "we think everything we made is great." [b]404Architect[/b]: Everyone is acutely aware of reaction to the story. How much that will change the "vision" for Destiny is unclear to me. DLC sales figures will be closely watched. RagnarokSam: Did the original vision include more planets/locations? It seems the grimore cards mention Mercury and Saturn in some context, but perhaps that's just supplemental lore rather than anything that was intended to be player interactive. [b]404Architect[/b]: Yes. Several more were planned. StaticSilence: Is/was Jason Jones aware and supportive of this lobotomy to the story? Or is activision forcing their will upon bungie. Are the employees at bungie already regretting signing a ten year deal with activision? Any answer you give can't be verified so I take what u say with many grains of salt. [b]404Architect[/b]: I won't speak to his motivations, that isn't my place to say. Activision isn't solely at fault for the way Destiny turned out. Many choices were made, not all of them reflective of the original spirit of the game. GoCallYourMommy: I hope you guys get the opportunity to see your vision come to life then. I think the graphics are great, the gameplay is fun. As a 40 year old gamer who has to hide my hobby from my peers (Ha) and own every major system/platform in history I hope that comes with some satisfaction to hear. But your situation doesn't seem to be unusual for 2014 developers really. I hope the cash pours in and you guys can tell the bean counters to -blam!- off eventually. [b]404Architect[/b]: 500+ million in the first week. Destiny made back its development cost in 7 days. GoCallYourMommy: Jesus Christ. That's some Call of Duty numbers. I had no idea. -blam!-ers better reinvest or they are missing out on the long term gravy train!! [b]404Architect[/b]: Admittedly its less than that in real dollars, but $500 million in units were shipped to stores. That's, largely, how publishers inflate sales figures using the term "sell in." But that's how COD likely gets its numbers as well, so its a fair comparison. [b]404Architect[/b]: Thank you for the kind words, Bungie has a lot of hard-working people at it who perform exceptionally under great pressure and tight deadlines. With that, I'm closing up my participation in the AMA, I think I've said enough. Thank you to everyone who reached out and kept things so civil. See you starside. [/quote] Part 3: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/70902004/0/0/1
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  • Fake. They came straight out and denied it immediately. Their lawyers wouldn't allow them to if it was true. You notice they didn't deny the beta tester that leaked the original story? They just avoided commenting on it and complained to reddit and the post was removed.

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  • If this is fake then whatever....but if it's true.....just wow...

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  • Finally some real input!

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  • Edited by Alex_Supertramp1: 12/11/2014 3:43:02 PM
    Most of this is just recycled information/theories that have already been floating around on the internet. There has been a lot of speculation surrounding the circumstances of Joe Statens' departure from Bungie. Almost all of this guys answers reek of this regurgitated speculation. The whole corporate vision thing, the story needing to be reworked after Joe left, the factions, more planets, story cut, voice acting cut, all of this has already been extensively theorized on the internet prior to the emergence of 404architect. I have seen nothing new here, no real disclosure has taken place that would lead me to think this was a person in the know. All I see is a troll that can copy and paste a bunch of theories from the internet. On top of that Deej said it was a troll. I realize he is the PR company guy, so take what he says with a grain of salt. But, the biggest reason to think that this is all BS is that Bungie hasn't flagged and removed this thread. If this guy was really divulging company secrets, this thread would have been deleted a long time ago.

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  • Imagine what message that would send if they deleted it though. That would show them admitting that this information is real. By leaving it up, and Deej's damage control response as well, they can still proclaim it as false.

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  • They got the thread from the beta tester deleted because it broke a bon disclosure agreement.

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  • Nah. This sounds like some upset fan just feeding back other upset fans Exactly what they want to hear. Confirming their suspicions and conspiracy theories to the letter. Just too perfect to be true. All things being equal the simplest explanation is the correct one. What is more likely? That Bungie is conspiring and leaving this post up in some backwards ass doublethink mind game in order to convince us that they don't care about the information in here? Or that they simply don't care about this post because it's bogus? If it was legit they would delete it. Better to risk making the few thousand people who have viewed this post suspicious than to risk leaking real company secrets to the millions of people who play this game. Honestly if they deleted it, how many people would really notice anyway. They don't care because it's a troll, simple. I have no doubt that something similar to this May have went down, but these theories are not new to the individual who concocted this troll. It's a good troll, but nothing more.

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  • clearly, activision is to blame for all the cut content. knew activision would -blam!- this game up the moment i found out they were making it

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  • To anyone who wants to doubt. Reddit does do checks on the posters of these things. They require sufficient proof of identity when something big like this, or other leaks, is posted. Otherwise they take it down. The fact that it is still their means they proved, with sufficient evidence, that they very much are a Bungie employee.

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  • Reddit does have very good moderators, but they would have no way of "proving" something like this.

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  • Holy mother of necto threads batman. Lol. You don't pay attention to dates do you? XD

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  • Yeah, I know this thread is old. But, it has recently been bumped back into existence. I was just reading thru some of the comments, and not I hardly look at those microscopic barely visible dates to the right, sorry

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  • Sounds like I will not be purchasing any future titles from bungie/activision and am trapped in this game. Need to buy dlc in order to hope that the next dlc will contain anything of value. It really sucks they -blam!- this game.

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  • Amen

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  • Please stop bumping this post -_-

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  • Saya the person who posted in it . Lol way to go man, way to go

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  • You just did tard

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  • Fml I wish they finished this game and that Bungie didn't go to s***

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  • I just love you sheep being trolled by people like this.

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  • Bump da bump

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  • So you're saying a hero from the internet came to you in the form of an AMA Reddit post offering no credentials ,or concrete proof of credibility, giving the vocally upset sub-segment of the community the EXACT answers they were looking for so that they could say "HA I TOLD YOU SO!" If you believe this to be true, I have a friend in Egypt who needs to wire you $100,000 USD for safe keeping away from his government. All you have to do is send him $3,000 to verify your bank account is active. Once he receive it, he will reimburse you AND pay you $15,000 for the trouble of holding his money. Don't worry, he is an anonymous guy from the internet I met who is being shaken down by the government. If he reveals his identity, he will be put in jail for treason. He is totally legitimate.

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