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American Indians believed that when two warriors engaged in battle, the winner took the defeated's soul with them.
This is sword-logic in its most basic form
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Edited by Clone148: 6/25/2016 3:51:49 AMThat's not how Sword Logic works, you don't gain anything from killing, the only reason Oryx does is because he has a worm
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Sword Logic is exactly what I and OP said. Every thing the Hive kill grants the souls of the dead to the killer Hive. When we kill these enemies, we too take part in the game of Sword-Logic. The only reason we stood a chance against Oryx was because we were already gods in our own right, having acheived godhood by killing Atheon, Crota, and Skolas. People are not born more powerful than a god. The pebble must absorb other pebbles, piece by piece, until it is a rock. The rock takes other rocks until it is a boulder...
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That's so unbelievably false, the reason we stood a chance is because we refined our Light through the years. Sword Logic is (ironically enough) just that, a Logic. Not some unseen magic, it dosn't provide power, the opposite actually, if you kill something you have proven yourself more powerful already, therefore you have more of a right to exist.
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Sword-Logic is an ideology, but it is backed by the sci-fi magics that be.
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No it's backed by the Worm Gods, not sone fundamental law of tge universe
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That's where you have been proven wrong. The vex, murdered a bunch of thrall in the throne world and they became so much more powerful. Sword logic is about killing. The Cleaver is a powerful weapon, something that has kill forever. Because of the sword logic, it is strong.
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No, the only time a cleaver is stronger is when it's in a Throne Realm, nowhere else. The only reason something could gain more power through killing is if they have a Worm.
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The vex were able to gain power with in the throne world with out a worm.
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I'd need to see what you're referencing, but a main reason would be because they're in a Throne World, the pocket dimension where the Hive can bend the rules of reality to their own will, I'd make sence that if what you're referring to is correct, that they would actually have a physical law of sword logic
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[quote]You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror. (Verse 2:6 — The [b]Sword Logic[/b])[/quote] This is even before they find the sword space, where they made their throne worlds.
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Oryx already had a Worm during this passage, which was what was giving him power, not Sword Logic.
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Edited by Ghost593835: 6/25/2016 4:30:47 AM[quote]You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror. (Verse 2:6 — The [b][b]Sword Logic[/b][/b])[/quote] What does it say in Bold? The worm wasn't giving him power. It was telling him to kill hundred of his kids. Watch the blade change. You didn't read it
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The reason that passage is apart of Sword Logic is because as he killed things, he was also feeding his Worm, which was giving him power, not Sword Logic itself. You're missing a giant chunk of context. [spoiler]AT LAST! We knew curiosity would draw you back, Auryx. In their desperation, the Ammonite have begun using paracausal weapons. What are these? How do they work? Wouldn’t you like to know. Suffice to say that some powers in this universe are superordinate to mere material physics. The source of these weapons is the Traveler, the Sky’s bait star. Their effect is subtle, but devastating. But you are armed to respond in kind. Savathûn’s mothers have listened carefully to our teachings. We will not give you the Deep, King Auryx — that power is for us, your gods. But we will teach you to call upon that force with signs and rituals. Small minds might call it magic. You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror. Your existence begins to define itself. Of course, high Auryx, we know it was not curiosity alone that brought you back to the war. You felt your own death growing inside you. You must obey your nature. Your worm must feed...[/spoiler]
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Muted for now reading.
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What?
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That's what killing empowerment is my friend.
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I know. I just offered the inspiration. The game takes from Mythology and Religious theology, its better to talk in terms of Greek Gods and Indian spirits than actual terms :P
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:p native American. Not Indian. I can see where you are coming from
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PC sucks. Everyone born in America is native american. Just like African-Americans could easily be white given how many South Africans are of colonial Dutch heritage. Fite me and my improper terminology
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Edited by Ghost593835: 6/25/2016 4:15:01 AMI'm native American, calling me an Indian. Is like a calling someone who is black a -blam!-. People live on stolen land and they just keep ruining everything. Native Americans are the true Americans, we were here first. What give you the right to wipe a race away ? Hitler wanted to wipe a group of people away. I guess you want to do the same. I'm not pc. I'm native American. I'm sick of people just fighting and killing one another.
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I think the whole situation sucks and the history sucks and European explorers and settlers did a lot of horrible things due to their ignorance. The best I can do is to treat my fellow humans with the least amount of prejudice possible. I do believe though, that the equivalent term would be "savage", as "Indian" was a misnomer based on geographic ignorance and isn't based in derision. I have a 100% Inuit friend and also a old friend who is a member of the Osage nation, he is 75%, with one Scottish grandparent. They're both very proud of their individual heritages and I think that is also every individual human's right. There are positive and negative aspects to every culture's practices and history, and to completely criminalize, or do the opposite and put any single culture on a pedestal, is, in my opinion, close-minded.
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Native Americans are just usedtoberussians from when it didn't matter. Just like it doesn't matter now. It mattered for all of 150ish years 100 years ago. Comparing Indian to -blam!- is a big stretch. Comparing what happened to natives to what happened to Jews is just as bad, if not worse. [spoiler] I have enough native blood to have a card. My grandmother is full blood.[/spoiler]
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I too am Native to the Americas. Contiguous territory. I don't believe in this "Fence Logic" these outlanders brought alongside.
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These outsiders brought racism.
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Yes it falls under the whole segregation plot in their feeble minds.
