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Edited by AuraSoldier313: 4/3/2015 7:52:03 PM
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Map Control and You: A PvP Guide

First and foremost, hello person on the internet reading this! My name is Aura and this guide I've written is intended to help you improve as a PvP player, specifically in regards to learning and understanding map control and why it's so goddamn important. Some of this information might be old news to you, but veteran or newcomer, hopefully this guide will help you in some way, if even only a little. For the most part, I'll be referencing the Control gametype, but the same overall principles apply to the other gametypes in Destiny too. I won't really go over weapon types or tell you what to use either; that's up to you to decide. Like sniping? Keep sniping. Like using blink with a shotgun? Well, that works too. Anyway, just as a brief 'about me' before we begin: - I'd rate myself as pretty much average on my bad days, and quite good on my good days. Nothing incredible, just all-around solid overall in Destiny PvP. My k/d has always sat above 2.1x (as an average) for pretty much the entire time I've played. - 90% of the time I probably play by myself in PvP, the other 10% is usually with 2-4 friends at most. As such I play with randoms almost exclusively and my win rate barely sits above 50% on average. (More often than not, it's you, not me, team. Sorry :/ ) - I don't use a mic, mainly because I couldn't be bothered to plug in my headset adapter all the time. Introductions out of the way, let's begin. I'll condense these sections into spoiler tags for ease of use. There's also a fair amount to cover, so if only one particular section interests you, you can easily access it. I know walls of text are annoying, but I'll try and alleviate it to some degree. [b]1. What exactly is 'Map Control'?[/b] [spoiler]Map Control is more of a blanket term for a lot of little things that all go on at once during gameplay e.g. - What position do you and your teammates all hold on the map, as well as your opponents?, - What zones does your team control?, - What zones doesn't your team control? - Who has heavy ammo? Who doesn't? - What side of the map are you spawning/respawning on? - In any given individual encounter, do you have the advantage or the disadvantage? I.e. Are you the guy hiding behind the wall with a shotgun waiting for an easy kill, or are you the guy who is being baited into getting killed like an idiot? Etc. All these little things often determine who is going to win and who is going to lose. It seems like a simple concept on the surface, but I've seen it neglected countless times. Once you begin to become aware of how all these little things work however, you'll notice when other people clearly aren't aware of it. You might witness a guy hastily run around a corner only to get shotgunned in the face, when he could've pressured with a grenade or super, or you'll find yourself as the only one trying to pressure a side or zone while trying to flip spawns. Sometimes it's an uphill struggle, but if you can pull it off, you get clear results. As a team however, you can quickly and sometimes completely shutdown the opposing team before the game is even halfway over. Good teams have effectively won the game within the first minute. One other very important aspect of map control to remember is to not get too deep into enemy territory. Not because you're taking on potentially numerous people at once, but because there's a very high chance you may just flip spawns, but in the other teams favour. This is just as detrimental as throwing yourself at any given spot and dying over and over again; you might have just crippled your teams position on the map and forced them into a terrible respawn location.[/spoiler] [b]1.a An Example of Map Control[/b] [spoiler]We'll use Blind Watch as our example because it's a very easy to understand map. Blind Watch favours the team controlling B and C. Even though A's side of the map has the high ground, it's only useful outside, whereas both zones B and C are mostly closed off (B considerably more so). Pushing or controlling A serves little to no purpose unless the other team is stumbling around in the dark. Once you control B and C, all you need to do is let them come to you, more often than not by defending B from the lower heavy ammo spawn. Knowing all of this, let's craft a scenario: [i]It's Control on Blind Watch. Your team controls Zone A, the other team controls Zones B and C. The majority of your team is consistently pushing B from either the higher entrance, or the middle entrance, and for the most part, aren't getting anywhere whatsoever and are effectively feeding the other team kills and points.[/i] This is by far one of the most common things I've ever seen on Blind Watch, and it's so ****ing stupid how often people just throw themselves at the other team expecting a different outcome. In this example, if your team as a majority keeps pushing B and can't claim it, you've lost. End of story. Pack up, go home. Now, how do you turn this situation around so that it's in your favour? Since we already know the team controlling B and C has the advantage, your main goal here is to flip spawns. The length of C to the rear special ammo spawn serves as the swappable spawn point for the team controlling B and C on Blind Watch. If you can neutralise C or capture it, and remain in that area long enough for your teammates to spawn there, you've flipped the spawn, and just given your team a much better position to attack from.[/spoiler] [b]2. Heavy Ammo & Supers and how they affect Map Control[/b] [b]2.a Heavy Ammo[/b] [spoiler]Heavy Ammo spawns roughly 3 times per match in Control and as you're no doubt aware can give a team of players a huge advantage. That being said, if you are the kind of player that pre-emptively sits at the heavy ammo spawn and takes it all for yourself immediately before your teammates arrive, YOU, yes, YOU, are the [b]problem[/b]. [i][b]DON'T[/b][/i] pull heavy unless you're providing it for at least 1 other team member at minimum, or are taking it purely to stop the other team from taking it. The more people on your team with heavy ammo, the better. Preferably 4+ players at any given heavy drop. Moving on, once you have heavy ammo, those are the moments when you and your team should be making the push to put pressure on the other team, take their zone/s and regain map control if you lost it. On the opposite side of the spectrum, if you and your team have heavy ammo and have the lead, you need to be ready to defend your zone/s just as much as the other team wants them, or if your team is clearly better than the other team, destroy them thoroughly. A little side note not many people are aware of: heavy ammo that has been dropped in proximity to you actually stays active for quite a while. Consider leaving the heavy ammo for a minute or so, let the other team waste theirs, then claim the heavy ammo that dropped earlier and surprise the other team with your own. It works more often than not, and surprisingly well at that.[/spoiler] [b]2.b Supers[/b] [spoiler]Supers are your big grand moments to look cool and kill guys. Though, wasting your super is an incredibly dumb move. If you're trying to capture a zone and you know a bunch of guys are crowding in it, getting that Fist of Havoc or Nova Bomb kill that results in 3 or more fatalities is much better used compared to wasting it on the lone guy as a backup plan. For individual Supers, and their proper applications when maintaining/taking map control, see the following: [i]Fist of Havoc[/i] - Smashing into a group all around a zone works both ways for maintaining or taking map control. Aftermath is very useful so use it. [i]Ward of Dawn[/i] - When trying to protect a zone/maintain map control, obviously popping your bubble on top of a zone is the way to go, but you want either Armor or Blessing of Light for the increased damage resistance/shield. - When trying to take a zone/take back map control, hang back, pop a bubble where your team can funnel through it, and either give them Blessing or Weapons of Light. [i]Nova Bomb[/i] - Same thing with Fist of Havoc; throw it at a group of guys to protect/take zones. Vortex, and larger explosions/prolonged vortex effects upgrades are both very useful for flushing people out of an area. [i]Radiance[/i] - Grenades obviously come to mind, so if you're proficient with them and have a reasonably quick cooldown, use them. Though fusion grenades have the appeal of a guaranteed kill when you stick someone, solar and firebolt grenades are much better for area denial. - Self-res shouldn't be squandered, so if you're planning on reviving, don't do it when there are 5 guys around you. - Flame shield + reduced damage + longer radiance makes you a tank. You can easily take or defend areas as a Sunsinger. [i]Golden Gun[/i] - It's a guaranteed kill and you're a major threat when you have it active. If you're trying to take back map control, don't stand in one spot and shoot. Shoot and move and push the other team into disadvantageous positions or away from areas they control. - You can pop a Titan's bubble with 2 golden gun shots, and most never expect it to happen. It's very useful for removing a team's safe haven. [i]Arc Blade[/i] - Don't just run up to people or you'll likely die against 3 or more guys. Be smart with it and flank. - It's not useful for defending a zone unless you're in there with several other guys, so don't activate it and then rush at the other team cause you'll likely die.[/spoiler] Continued in the next post: [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/113281454/0/0/1]Map Control and You: Part 2 - The PvP Maps of Destiny and Map Control Examples specific to each one.[/url]

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  • Map Control and You: Part 2 [b]3. The PvP Maps of Destiny and Map Control Examples[/b] [b]Earth Maps[/b] [spoiler][i]Twilight Gap[/i] - You mainly want to control A's side of the map. A's side is more enclosed and allows it to be better protected, whereas C's side is fairly open. - Sniping from A side railing gives you a clear line of sight at C's heavy ammo spawn. If you have armor piercing rounds (despite their ridiculous nerf) you can take out people that hide behind the box there, and even get kills at zone B when people hide behind walls. - Swapping the spawns requires you to get very far back on A's side if you're pushing from C, and is quite difficult to achieve. [i]Rusted Lands[/i] - You absolutely want control of A's side of the map; the high ground is very advantageous and gives clear lines of sight towards both zones B and C. - If disadvantaged, swapping the team spawns is incredibly easy however: simply flank all the way back to either 'shore' area (C side or A side) and you can swap the spawns very easily. Though taking C side is of very little benefit unless you're after quickly accessible heavy ammo. - If you back up to the right corner of zone A's room, you can get heavy ammo to drop for you via proximity. [i]Exodus Blue (PS4 Exclusive)[/i] - As an Xbox One player, I've never played on this currently PS4 exclusive map. If someone wants to elaborate on it in the comments, go for it. [i]Skyshock (Dark Below)[/i] - A side is the stronger position if taken, but C side has a much larger range with which to cover when sniping. If you can make either side work for you and your team, do so. - Controlling center heavy spawn is quite advantageous as you can easily access B which is often going to determine which team controls 2 zones at any given time. - This is the sniper's dream map, but if all you're doing is sitting in one spot, you better be doing a damn good job of ensuring no one takes it from you.[/spoiler] [b]Moon Maps[/b] [spoiler][i]First Light[/i] - Controlling the higher side of the map isn't entirely advantageous as you can still get flanked very easily. Controlling both the high ground AND the middle ground however puts you and your team at a much greater advantage. - As the map is centred around vehicle combat, if your team can control both interceptors at once, you can effectively lock down the other team. Be mindful of getting sniped out of your interceptor though. On the flipside you can snipe the pilots out yourself. A super will also ruin an interceptors day. - You can use your sparrow, so use it to get to different places quickly. There are ample places to hide and flank on First Light. [i]The Anomaly[/i] - Controlling either side of the map (A or C side) can be beneficial. I personally prefer controlling C side myself due to its proximity to zone B, and the fact you can encroach on A side without flipping spawns. - The central room has 4 corner rooms. From B if you look straight ahead and to the right past the anomaly, that corner room has an excellent view of zone B, the main zone A entrance, and the hallway opposite zone B. This spot is in my opinion one of the strongest positions on the map if you can hold it and take out people who push B and come through zone A's main entrance. [i]The Cauldron (Dark Below)[/i] - Controlling A side generally benefits you and your team more as you'll spawn more on the inside of the map rather than the outside, thus giving better control over maintaining zone B's location. - Controlling B in turn gives quick access to both the outside and inside heavy ammo spawns.[/spoiler] [b]Venus Maps[/b] [spoiler][i]Asylum[/i] - The map is mostly symmetrical, however controlling A side provides a greater advantage when defending zone B; the sight-lines are more beneficial facing towards C rather than facing A. - Sniping from the central room allows you to constantly harass anyone approaching from C side's stairs, however you need to be mindful of people jumping up from the lower level of the map. [i]Shores of Time[/i] - Controlling the C side of the map is absolutely crucial. Everything about C side is better than A side; sight-lines, accessibility for heavy ammo, and controlling map flow. - The two raised platforms on C side at the far side of the map (one directly behind C, the other behind C side heavy spawn) have by far the best sight-lines on the map. You can clearly see anyone approaching C, B or through the middle of the map. - Bottom line is, if you don't control C side, you're likely gonna lose unless you can swap the spawns and it's no easy task.[/spoiler] [b]Mars Maps[/b] [spoiler][i]Bastion[/i] - Possibly the largest map in Destiny, like First Light, there's no distinctly clear advantage for controlling the high ground, rather controlling the middle and the high/low ground is desirable. The middle room and its heavy ammo spawn is one of the strongest points on the map, more so if you also control the high ground. - The low ground area is huge, and more often than not, you'll have someone sniping out there. If you can't see them, don't try to challenge them. It's not worth the time nor effort. - Vehicles honestly don't have that much use unless you're catching people unaware or off spawn. There are far too many small rooms and areas to weave through on foot that vehicles cannot. [i]Firebase Delphi[/i] - This mostly symmetrical map favours the team that controls A side, and generally you'll keep both A and B at any given time. Doing so causes the team spawning on C side to generally spawn right around C's dome. - The window overlooking C in the centre of the map is basically the funnel of death; anyone that jumps through it should by dying because it's a dumb path to take. By staying around the ramp that leads to the lower portion of the map, you can overlook that window and take out anyone that comes through. - If you're on C side however, you can quite easily flank all the way around the map on either side, quickly hop into A and take it. Even if you don't take it, you might flip the spawns to your advantage. [i]Blind Watch[/i] - As mentioned in the prior example, controlling C side is your primary goal. People funnel down trying to take B, but you can easily take each one as they come. - Don't hog the heavy ammo at C side; ensure your teammates all have some so that you can lockdown your side of the map. Be mindful of someone intending to use their super to deny anyone taking C side heavy however. [i]Pantheon (Dark Below)[/i] - As the map is pretty much symmetrical in its entirety, there's not really any given 'best' side to hold. Rather, if you can control the centre of the map, you'll have a greater foothold to work with. - The corridor that lies below upper heavy ammo spawn is great for sniping from both sides. Trying to push on one side might prove impossible if the other team has 2 or more snipers on their side. - Remember to not push too far, or you might end up causing the other team to spawn behind your zones. Control your side, control the middle, and stick to those areas.[/spoiler] [b]The Lone Mercury Map[/b] [spoiler][i]The Burning Shrine[/i] - The map is symmetrical, but zone control comes down to preference. C side has the high ground and provides some decent sight-lines, but A side has the blinding sun in the background, and allows for people to move around a decent amount of cover. A has easier access to B however, so it's ultimately up to what side you prefer to play from. - If playing from C side, you have the advantage of cheap and easy shotgun kills from around corners, and you can easily overlook the lower side of the map from the staircases on either side. You'll rarely be challenged for the upper heavy ammo, however spawn flips are quite common, so you might find yourself constantly under pressure from the opposite side of the map from zone C. - If playing from A side, you can utilise some of the surrounding structures to your advantage. If you get on top of the large structure that overlooks B (not the central pillar) you have a very nice sight-line into the middle of the map, and can catch people unawares that poke themselves out from the two upper central corridors. The blinding sun is a very useful tool in that position.[/spoiler] Well, that about wraps up the guide, so thanks for taking the time to read some or all of it. There are other points to map control, but a lot of it is discovering it for yourself first-hand. You'll find positions and points as you play that you may find are very beneficial for you. Experiment and see what works for you in the long run. Go forth and conquer, Guardians.

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    • *clap clap clap* nice job Aura. Regarding Exodus Blue, my take is as follows: A-flag is good only for quick access to heavy ammo. Not a big advantage over C-flag in this regard however. C has better lines of sight into both the open and indoors areas with plenty of cover. Advantageous therefore to attempt control of B/C. Major death trap is B. Close enough quarters that prolonged camping in and around B-flag ensures low K/D. Excellent sniper spots on either side of long (outdoor) hallway between A and C. Best not to take that route as skilled snipers have a distinct advantage in this area. Ruins on C-side (again outdoor) of B provide excellent cover. Usually neglected territory as well. Control of this area effectively allows for simultaneous control of B/C with quick access to both heavy spawns. Out-door A-side of B can also be a hot bed of shotgun/super action. Usually better to hang around the periphery of this area for relatively easy mid-range kills of enemies in the fray. I can already tell this isn't as good as OP's analysis of other maps, but my stab at filling in the only gap.

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    • Good job dude this was really informative!

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