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2/5/2013 6:00:35 PM
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Why haven't you read Marx's Communist Manifesto?
Or if you have, what did you think?
Not putting anything on here around my own views. It'll be counterproductive and lead the discussion. So go for it flood. [url=http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/]Link here, if anyone needs a copy to read[/url]
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I read it. It, to me, was very flawed ideals that seemed to disregard human nature.
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I remember reading Marx's Manifesto (translated into English) and Hitler's Mein Kampf and Mao's Little Red Book (also translated) because it was historical, it was relevant, it was insightful to understand the core systems/concepts behind political/economic/social thought processes that were on the global stage. If you can't be bother to try to understand how another person, another society sees itself, sees how things work in the world, then why should they be bothered to try to understand how you see things? And if neither of you are going to take those basic first steps (to see and understand how you are similar AND where you are different) then you will always fear, misunderstand and distrust them, even when they are not being hostile. It's not so much a matter of "know your enemy, know thyself" (which is important), as much as it is to understand that while we like to imagine the world as opposing forces (hot/cold, up/down, right/wrong, 1/0, etc.) that there are places and times when things are not just "this OR that" but "this, and this, and this, and this, and this, ..." and they aren't digital, they are analog and biological. And so, nothing is so carved in stone and even stone is not permanent. Marx had insights. Some brilliant, some flawed. To treat any document as "truth" is to then label all other documents (especially those that disagree or raise different points) as "lies". That is the trap of treating everything as binary, as polar, as opposites. Nature does polarize, but we do it even more, in our desire to recognize patterns and try to use them to predict the future.
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I'm a history major. My highest level course was over Communism. So, yes, I've read it and we studied it for a decent amount of time. What is confusing in Marx's theory is that in his belief Communism is the result of the clashing of socialism and capitalism, which themselves are the result of the clashing of other ideals; that despite him reckoning that Communism is inevitably the result of progress, Communism itself is the culmination of progress and society can never advance from there.
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9 отв.Great idea on paper. But like every great idea on paper, it won't work in real life. If life was a utopia and perfect, then Communism would be ideal. But humanity likes to screw things up. inb4 pplcallmecommunistforsidingwithagreatideaonpapernotinpractice
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2 отв.He half-assed it under the threat of death. It means -blam!--all.
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14 отв.Not sure why I should study the roots of a failed ideology. [i]Das Kapital[/i] might be more interesting, but IDK.
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I've read a portion of it. I'll get around to the rest some time, there's a lot of books on my to-read list at the moment.
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3 отв.Why hasn't anyone read Mein Kampf? It truly captures the nature of one of histories most notable figures. inb4pplcallmeracistcauseididntsayanythingnegativabouthitlerinmypost
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Because I haven't finished The Art Of War or Mein Kampf yet. Believe it or not that is an entirely true statement I'm reading those two. Then Communist Manifesto, then The Prince....what I like historically significant books?
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I'm not wasting money on that.
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Because the political label that best describes me is authoritarian. I'm not a major fan of communism. Still, since you've posted it, I may as well give it a read.
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I'M A CAPITALIST!!!
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I've read parts of it for one of my classes. I found it very lackluster, and some of Marx's ideas are either incomplete or just plain silly.
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2 отв.Not interested.
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I'd put communism under the same group as far right libertarian-ism, it would be great if this was a utopia, but IMO they are both too idealistic.
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2 отв.I have and I own it. But I think it's ridiculously stupid.
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I tend to read things from whatever historical time period I'm researching/most interested in, just so I have the most context and information possible. Right now I'm in the years of American history between Jackson and the Civil War. Eventually I'll get around to 19th-century Europe and I'll probably read it then.
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I've read it, but it was a long time ago, so I can't really say what I think of it. And no, I will probably not be reading it again.
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2 отв.WHY HAVEN'T YOU READ CHARIOTS OF THE GODS?
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I've read it many times, it's kind of heavy and a lot of it could have been cut down, his heart was in the right place though.
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I have OP.
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I don't have the time to start typing my own novel, so of course I wouldn't have enough time ti take a look at an entire manifesto, and read it enough to form an opinion.
