guys just a reminder that celestial nighthawk does -blam!- ALL TO ATHEON STOP BEING A WANKER AND USING IT
Edit: BraveCole has noticed me.
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It does great damage, empty a sleeper mag then golden gun, switch to sniper empty a mag and golden gun again, reload sniper and put more into him and golden gun to finish the phase off, its an extra 600,000+ for 5 seconds of work. I'd hardly say it does nothing...
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However landing consistent crits with Sleeper using a tether and a weapons bubble inputs way more damage than a Celestial would. A whole team using Sleeper would be more efficient than a team with all Celestials. Reason being is because there would be no tether and there would also be no bubble. The cooldown of Goldie and animation is damage time wasted.
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Who tf is BraveCole?
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But it does one shot light eater ogres!
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Yeah I mean its useful for that. But not Atheon
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230k damage with the same cooldown as a sleeper shot.. hmm useless
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Same cooldown as a sleeper? Excuse me? Yeah if you reload after each damn shot...
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Cooldown dummy.. it actually cools down faster than the sleeper its just slower to fire due to the animation and besides youre not saying anything anyone hasnt said already so instead of being the parrot in the room just let it die
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Изменено (RingersCheckmate): 4/12/2017 6:57:11 PM[quote]Cooldown dummy.. it actually cools down faster than the sleeper its just slower to fire due to the animation and besides youre not saying anything anyone hasnt said already so instead of being the parrot in the room just let it die[/quote] It's WAY slower to fire, I don't care if it's for an animation or because it has a cooldown. You have so much downtime after firing a golden gun shot to use another one it's ridiculous. Sleeper is just better. And no, let's not let it die because it's a fact and it's true. Sleeper fires so much faster and is just better in every way.
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In 20 seconds you fire 7 sleepers im firing 5-6 golden guns.. not that much slower and im firing as i jump back out of the aura also im not having to risk a wipe cos i have to dive into my menu for a ammo synth cos im wasting all my sleeper on oracles.. well either way you do you and i will do me. End of.
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[quote]In 20 seconds you fire 7 sleepers im firing 5-6 golden guns.. not that much slower and im firing as i jump back out of the aura also im not having to risk a wipe cos i have to dive into my menu for a ammo synth cos im wasting all my sleeper on oracles.. well either way you do you and i will do me. End of.[/quote] If they do the same damage and you fire even one shot less than that's some substantial damage lost. Sleeper can land critical shots which put celestial in the coffin. 142k damage for a single celestial shot, while sleeper can do 240k for a critical shot. Landing sleeper crit shots is really not that hard to do. https://youtu.be/Uqf7o5BERCM
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Sorry but celestial does 230k per crit with weapons and tether the same as a sleeper. And what part of end of did you not understand? You have your opinion i have mine i will play my way you play yours im not gonna join your raid team and youre not gonna join mine so why the -blam!- should i care what you think or you care what i think
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[quote]Sorry but celestial does 230k per crit with weapons and tether the same as a sleeper. And what part of end of did you not understand? You have your opinion i have mine i will play my way you play yours im not gonna join your raid team and youre not gonna join mine so why the -blam!- should i care what you think or you care what i think[/quote] You don't crit with celestial though, and sleeper benefits from tether and weapons of light too so it's way better overall. A sleeper crit is much more viable and better option than nighthawk overall.
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Ok so 230k without crit either way same damage but whatever for the 3rd or 4th time im done with this topic
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Изменено (RingersCheckmate): 4/12/2017 7:13:26 PM[quote]Ok so 230k without crit either way same damage but whatever for the 3rd or 4th time im done with this topic[/quote] For the third or 4th time you've continued to reply so I suppose you aren't done. If you're going to give nighthawk a tether and weapons, do it for sleeper too. It benefits too from them and plus it's less damage AND less shots so...
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[quote]230k damage with the same cooldown as a sleeper shot.. hmm useless[/quote] Wow, that is a flawed statement. Sleeper shoots MUCH faster and does ~250K damage with Weapons of Light.
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Sleeper does 250k with weapons and tether 230k with just weapons and 300k with weapons tether and stacked viking funeral
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Math has been done. sleeper outshine golden gun with night hawk
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I agree sleeper does a extra shot however not everone has or uses sleeper
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Golden Gun animation is a lot longer than Sleeper Simulant charge.
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Just use spindle 180k per shot no cooldown 15 shots = more dps than sleeper by about 650k
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Check Datto's video on this. Unless you have flawless spindle accuracy, Sleeper wins by a fair amount
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Once you know the hitbox of Atheon's crit box you can easily land spindle shots. I prefer to use it just for the max damage.
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Minimum Spindle Damage: 840,000 Max Spindle Damage: 2,093,000 Minimum Sleeper Damage: 1,760,000 Max Sleeper Damage: 2,200,000 Tested with weapons of light, emptied all ammo from both weapons. Sleeper has higher non crit damage, crit damage, mean damage, and leaves your special slot open for oracle killing/ad control. Not to mention it can be a panic one shot for oracles and is easier to use. Sleeper is KING
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I would ask for a source but I know this is a hard thing to gauge. I refer to datto's video here: https://youtu.be/Uqf7o5BERCM Which is enough to prove to me about the spindle. That and I actually prefer to have corrective measure in my heavy slot for both oracles and ad control. It holds ammo like no other and shreds both of them so I just prefer the spindle.