You see the raid weapons? They are complete shiit weaopns, what's more; they're random perk rolling too. Just another reason to farm a 4 hour raid to get a "good set" of perks. These weapons from raid are just bad, they are regular guns that look different. No good perks essentially. The pulses rifle is extremely unstable and low impact. The scout rifle is the only gun that is "okay" I don't see a big difference why I would use this gun of say, Hung Jury. My Jade rabbit poops on all these guns. Take a look at the new scout rifle then compare it to vision of confluence. It's a joke. Also, raid difficulty is just too high for the type of rewards you're getting. I enjoy a difficult raid, I Do, believe me, but for the rewards you get, i would rather do strikes and farm exotics with three of coins. The Only difference in a piece of vanguard gear compared to raid armor for example is light level. They aren't special. You can just infuse your vanguard gear with a blue engram that's at 300 light! Just remember the raid loot from before and compare it to the old vanguard gear. The raid loot always had something worth getting, like the reload speed on gloves, the heavy ammo increase on boots etc.. Lol. Lastly, I'm pretty sure they sold out first raid with Atheon and our expectations are too high. Gloves with special ammo reload. Helmets with guaranteed rolls that give inverse shadow...Now they have to scale down everything so we have something to strive for. Except that there is no difference in any guns or gear except for light level. Maybe hard mode raid will offer better rolls on weapons? I really hope hard mode gives back the extra stuff on like the older raid gear. Otherwise... crucible will be dominated by year one gear and the new stuff is just not very useful. so far, I have just used the raid gear to infuse my other gear to achieve above 300 light on my exotics.