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9/3/2022 11:05:25 AM
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The real issue is, bad players will never know what it feels like to actually be good. & then be punished for being good because bungie pushes a forced %age win rate. If you’re bad, you’re just fodder in this games pvp, & that is okay. Unless you decide one day you don’t wanna be that, and put in some work please just stick to your job & be that fodder.
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  • This 100%. SBMM has taken replayability from D2 for me. I do my pinnacles and stay off now. I used to play PvP for the week afterwards now that is completely unplayable between lag, horrible lobby balancing (for some reason in the game still), and foreigners being in my game every lobby is stupid too. Good thing connections mean nothing in this game now.

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  • Sad but true unfortunately, there’s always a bigger fish. That’s kinda why I’m just enjoying what I can out pvp and try not to get attached to it.

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  • Edited by Desolator0: 9/3/2022 10:01:01 PM
    Couldn't say it better myself. Fodder will stay fodder and continue crying online. Nothing will improve and they'll stay trash with their loser mindset. Good players can put themselves in the place of bad players because even good players used to be bad, but bad players can never put themselves in good players' shoes because they'll never take the time to get good. This is the fundamental issue with SBMM discussions.

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  • I’ve said this for years. Players waiting to be coddled will never improve, regardless of what system changes are made. They admit they don’t practice and don’t try to have good teamwork and expect to find “fair” matches. Utter silliness.

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  • Edited by Daemon White: 9/3/2022 5:09:52 PM
    The issue with that sentiment is that we had the matchmaking equivalent of a Grade 8 bully hopping into the Kindergarten playground and beating them all up while feeling proud of themselves. Now the Grade 8 bully has to deal with people in his own class, and is upset that he can't beat up as many people as before.

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    [quote]The issue with that sentiment is that we had the matchmaking equivalent of a Grade 8 bully hopping into the Kindergarten playground and beating them all up while feeling proud of themselves. Now the Grade 8 bully has to deal with people in his own class, and is upset that he can't beat up as many people as before.[/quote] You’ve ever experienced a high competitive game with highly skilled people. It’s funny how every turd on these forums assumes good players don’t wanna fight good players. From sun up to sun down, you’re forced to play each match as if it’s the Olympics. And let’s say you have a couple good games. This algorithm will match you against players far better than the teammates you have, JUST BECAUSE YOURE GOOD. You’ll never know that feeling so please stop.

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  • Edited by Daemon White: 9/3/2022 5:57:10 PM
    I have experienced a high competitive game with highly skilled people, and I could not compete. And now you're assuming my stance and degrading because of it, amazing. Don't assume my history because of my Destiny 2 playtime.

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    [quote]I have experienced a high competitive game with highly skilled people, and I could not compete. And now you're assuming my stance and degrading because of it, amazing. Don't assume my history because of my Destiny 2 playtime.[/quote] Now imagine you being able to compete, but every game is the same stagnant mess. It’s like people who don’t have the skill are speaking on something they’ll never know the feeling of. Sbmm doesn’t work in quickplay, it works in an actual competitive environment where the rewards are worth sweating for.

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  • We're not going to see eye to eye on this. My take is that SBMM does and can work in quickplay. One issue is that the top players don't want to let go of their e-peen in order to relax more. If you don't want to sweat, then don't. Lose that KDA, Lose that win percentage. Drop your SBMM bracket to where it's fun again. Save that sweat for Trials and Survival, if comp ever gets a reason to actually play it. It's quickplay, so relax and stop caring about your D2Tracker stats in Control. Banner is next week and I believe will -not- be SBMM, I think Trials is the week after? There's also Clash and Momentum to slay out in. If the rewards aren't worth sweating over, then stop sweating for it. Throw matches if you want, don't worry about the scoreboards, just don't leave the matches either. Let SBMM do it's job and put you in better games.

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  • Edited by A_mo: 9/4/2022 12:24:30 AM
    [quote]Drop your SBMM bracket to where it's fun again.[/quote] I've been noticing that when I lose a lot and my "bracket goes down" (which is not really even the way it works) things are just as bad if not worse.

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    [quote]We're not going to see eye to eye on this. My take is that SBMM does and can work in quickplay. One issue is that the top players don't want to let go of their e-peen in order to relax more. If you don't want to sweat, then don't. Lose that KDA, Lose that win percentage. Drop your SBMM bracket to where it's fun again. Save that sweat for Trials and Survival, if comp ever gets a reason to actually play it. It's quickplay, so relax and stop caring about your D2Tracker stats in Control. Banner is next week and I believe will -not- be SBMM, I think Trials is the week after? There's also Clash and Momentum to slay out in. If the rewards aren't worth sweating over, then stop sweating for it. Throw matches if you want, don't worry about the scoreboards, just don't leave the matches either. Let SBMM do it's job and put you in better games.[/quote] We won’t see eye to eye because you think it’s an ego thing. You think I actually care about my stats. That’s the difference between a farmer and a good player. We also won’t see eye to eye because you’ve only experienced the low skill spectrum of matches. I’ve experienced both and got gud

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  • You seem to think it's ego when it's logic. Don't want to sweat in high-skill lobbies? Then don't sweat, lose, and get better matches. Thirsty but tired of high sugar? Drink water instead, it doesn't taste as fun but you get healthier. I'm not checking your post history to see what you care about in PvP, I'm replying to your direct comment that started this whole thread. That's on you for assuming ego. I crammed all my sweat into Season 15. I grew as a PvP player drastically in that time, check my D2 Tracker history, I don't hide anything. But for all that Git Gud, I absolutely hated myself. I hated what position it put me in, I hated the lack of competitive matches, and I hated being a person who easily swept weaker opponents by the end of the season. Which sucked because I love D2's gunplay, I like trying my skill against other people while improving, and I loved being in Clash and Control. I was angry way too much, and far too quickly. Our experiences and ability to improve are not theirs. Bad players can never know what it's like to be good when they're constantly crushed into the dirt. They get slaughtered, disheartened, and leave.

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  • Edited by Eli: 9/3/2022 7:37:29 PM
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    [quote]You seem to think it's ego when it's logic. Don't want to sweat in high-skill lobbies? Then don't sweat, lose, and get better matches. Thirsty but tired of high sugar? Drink water instead, it doesn't taste as fun but you get healthier. I'm not checking your post history to see what you care about in PvP, I'm replying to your direct comment that started this whole thread. That's on you for assuming ego. I crammed all my sweat into Season 15. I grew as a PvP player drastically in that time, check my D2 Tracker history, I don't hide anything. But for all that Git Gud, I absolutely hated myself. I hated what position it put me in, I hated the lack of competitive matches, and I hated being a person who easily swept weaker opponents by the end of the season. Which sucked because I love D2's gunplay, I like trying my skill against other people while improving, and I loved being in Clash and Control. I was angry way too much, and far too quickly. Our experiences and ability to improve are not theirs. Bad players can never know what it's like to be good when they're constantly crushed into the dirt. They get slaughtered, disheartened, and leave.[/quote] Your solution: throw matches and screw over my teammates. My solution:Make a real competitive environment. You brought up Kda as if that’s something I care about. You bring up winning as if that’s something I care about. If I cared about competitive matches, I’d play comp. Or on a 7 win ticket in the flawless pool. People that just farm control definitely bring issues into pvp but what’s worst is having people play every normal match of quickplay as if it’s an all star game for cash. [spoiler]YOU DONT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE IN HIGH SKILL LOBBIES[/spoiler] So don’t speak on it.

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  • You don't care about stats yet care about my experiences, while ignoring the points. Insufferable, have a day.

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    [quote]You don't care about stats yet care about my experiences, while ignoring the points. Insufferable, have a day.[/quote] Stats don’t mean anything. Just reading how accepting of Sbmm in a non skill based setting just speaks volumes on how much experience you lack. You have a day as well.

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    [quote]Trashcan[/quote] Keep those stats hidden pretty boy.

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  • Yeah double trashcan.

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    [quote]Yeah double trashcan.[/quote] Yea, double pretty boy.

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  • Your a sad individual. It's a videogame maybe you should get a grip on reality.

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    [quote]Your a sad individual. It's a videogame maybe you should get a grip on reality.[/quote] Says the one that immediately spews out “trash can” 🤣🤣 Cry more pretty boy.

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  • Cause you act like a trashcan I call em how I see em.

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    [quote]Cause you act like a trashcan I call em how I see em.[/quote] And you act like a pretty boy.

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