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originally posted in: I love SBMM! Thanks Bungie!
9/3/2022 6:46:36 AM
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SBMM is unironically the worst thing to ever happen to PvP, and I'm not exaggerating. And I was in favor of loose SBMM/outlier protection. But this... This is just complete trash. It's actually just Ranked. No room for error, no room for memes, insanely high latency...
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  • It's that way for everyone now... It was always that way for lower skilled players... Why should just the top be able to rest and breathe and take it easy and play with meme weapons... Now it's the same skill gaps in all lobbies for everyone... The bias is unreal... Everyone is sweating just as hard... Sure match quality may differ in a 1 kd lobby compared to 3 kd lobby. Same sweat thou . Problem is low skill players can actually get kills in their low tier lobbies now and high skill players kds are going down because they actually die in their lobbies. That's why players are quitting in high skill lobbies, kd doesn't count if you dip so who cares... High tier players are showing themselves and Bungie is paying attention... Mad cuz 40 bombs with a 10.0 are no longer possible, seems a bit selfish..

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  • Edited by elena: 9/3/2022 8:10:45 PM
    Pleaseeeee stop saying it was that way before sbmm when it was never a guarantee lower skill players were going to have sweats in their matches. Literally just making up a false narrative to support your claim

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  • Everyone a .5 kd player faces is a sweat to them even if they are facing another .5 kd player.... If a 2 kd player faces another 2 kd player it's sweaty... Why would it not be sweaty to face yourself? It's not about the quality of the match being played it is about the difficulty for that player.

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  • Edited by elena: 9/3/2022 8:43:00 PM
    the reason a 2.0 kd player vs another 2.0 kd player is sweaty is because as you get higher up (kd wise) the intensity increases a lot. The pace of two 0.5 players against each other isn’t remotely the same thing, slower pace, less chance of full meta loadouts, Just all around lower intensity. That’s what you guys seem to misunderstand, you think that 2 low kd players vs eachother is the same as 2 high kd’s vs each other… which it isn’t

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  • Now 1 v 1 someone with a 1 .5 kd higher than yours....

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  • Would that be hard? Obviously.. but impossible? Nah, especially with all of the one shots in this game. But again, you seem to be under the impression that there was a 2.0+ kd player in every single lobby you were in which is definitely false.

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  • Hard or impossible, who knows. Would it be fun...

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  • Edited by elena: 9/3/2022 8:53:54 PM
    If there was just one 3.0+ in the lobby I literally wouldn’t care lol….. Also… with last seasons lobby balancing if you’re a .5 then the 3.0 was most likely going to end up on your team unless they were stacking..

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  • And your odds of killing that 1, 3.0 player in that lobby is the same as flipping a coin 7 times in a row and it landing on heads every time.. Sure it will happen eventually... Mostly luck if it does . Enjoy sbmm n get into pvp.... You may like it.

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  • Thank you for having no real argument to anything I said, enjoy sbmm

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  • Sbmm doesn't help me or hurt me,I'm stuck in the middle.. either the best player statistically in my lobby ( n I'm not good enough to carry the team to a win ) or I'm the worst player statistically in my lobby ( and I question man what am I doing here )

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  • Would it be sweaty for you to 1 v 1 yourself?

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    Your statement couldn’t be more false and you know it. The difference between a 1.2-1.3 player and then a 1.6-1.7 player is very vast. SBMM only benefits the people who barely play crucible, have low K/D’s, and low ELO. Speaking of bias by the way, are we ever gonna talk about how Bungie has been giving you casuals everything you ask for pretty much? Or are we never gonna discuss that because that would invalidate your entire standpoint. Regardless, a 1.0 K/D filled lobby and a 3.0 K/D filled lobby is night and day. If you don’t see that…. then I don’t know what to tell ya. SBMM will and already is killing PvP altogether. Only your dedicated PvP players will keep playing after getting their pinnacles. What do you think will happen when all of us get fed up? You’re never gonna be able to play another PvP game again without waiting for 5-6 minutes. PvP would be amazing in this game if they would just stop catering to you casuals who can barely aim a weapon.

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  • You're completely out of your mind... If I'm a .5 player everyone is a god to me... Doesn't matter if you're a 1.5 or 3.5 I'm dead... Now with sbmm if I'm a .5 I have a chance of someone on the other team being at my level. Why do good players even want to face bad players? What do you get out of it? More kills? A better kd? Trust n believe there are more .5 players then 3.5 players... You want cbmm because you don't want to play others that are your equal... About as much as a .5 wants get their head kicked in every match until they quit pvp. The cry's of the good I don't want every match to be sweaty.. The cry's of the bad wtf am I gonna play that crap beyond my pinnacle, they are not.. The masses left, that's why it was 700 days without any maps.... The majority stopped playing...

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    I respect your difference in opinion. However, I have one main point to make here. Casual 6v6 shouldn’t ever feel like scrim lobbies to any[u][/u] player all the time. If they want to add competitive 6v6 with actual dedicated rewards, shaders, emblems, etc…; then I’d be all for that. They just really need to stop pandering to one or the other group, and make decisions that are genuinely healthy for the life of the game. Until that day comes, the PvP in this game will always feel lacking. When they removed the exclusive “pinnacle crucible weapons” such as NF, Revoker, Recluse, etc.., I pretty much immediately knew this game would be on a decline.

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  • Well said.. imagine those weapons return with comp 2.0 but craftable from playing for anyone who enters the game mode and rng blesses, but only the best -blam!- the highest ranks get shaders and ornaments and when you achieve the highest rank the pinnacle only then you may put enhanced perks on those weapons.

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    That would be absolutely amazing. Have an amazing rest of your day.

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  • You too

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  • “Trust and believe there are more .5 players than 3.5” EXACTLYY you were hardly ever playing legitimate sweats because there’s more 0.8 kd’s and below than anything.

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  • You're caught up on the term sweat... As like it is reserved for only the try hard private match community running hc shotty snipe... Sweating in 1 v 1 is literally engaging in a fight that is a flip of the coin who wins or losses that duel... Anyone playing themselves skill wise in a 1 v 1 is sweating that fight .. a 50/50 flip of the coin.... A .5 1 v 1 vs a 2.0 and coming out on top is like wining 4 coin flips in a row... That's pretty sweaty .. Don't be caught up.. be empathetic a .5 should never face a 2.0 who is that fun for?

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  • Control feels like I'm playing Trials with more players.

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  • "No room to steamroll" "No room to T-bag or emote on corpses" "Weh wehhh wehhh" I've translated your post into proper english for you

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  • That's not how that works, but alright.

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  • Meh, this reply is reasonable. I don't know what to do now.

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  • Remember when we talked and you told me itd be like old CoD? Remember I said Bungie was lying? I hate to say I told you so but.... I told you so.

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