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Edited by SkinPoppeR: 9/3/2022 6:49:21 AM
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Did you keep playing Witch Queen and get The Parasite??? You find out so much more. Savathûn was here during the collapse and it wasn’t the Traveler who saved us...... she also created The Awoken (my theory anyway) (I also theorize Taox is inside The Traveler. Taox is The Sterile Mother for “the hive”)
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  • Edited by lucidskuII: 9/7/2022 2:22:16 AM
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    Got banned lol again B) - 9/19/2022 12:49:06 AM

    Didn't oryx create the awoken Edit no that's taken

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  • Edited by KannibalKlown: 9/3/2022 1:33:05 PM
    No. Awoken created by singularity. Singularity created by beam struggle between light and dark. Savathun only tricked the witness or whoever into thinking traveler was either Dead-dead or left. Sure. That probably saved both humanity and the traveler since it ended the fight before we could get completely destroyed. But it didn’t create the awoken.

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  • My Brother in Christ The Awoken were created when Savathûn faked The Travelers death and hid it on earth. The Traveler let out a beam of light that hit the pyramid and turned the Exodus Green into The Awoken. I don’t understand how you could think these are separate things...... The Traveler faking its death created The Awoken. Savathûn was behind that plan. Also Taox is inside The Traveler who is literally Savathûn’s Mom. Lol

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  • Edited by KannibalKlown: 9/4/2022 5:29:01 PM
    I literally posted the raw content. I know reading is harder than imagination but I figure at least putting the raw text of the SOURCES YOU CLAIM would maybe suggest you read them out loud. None of it says that Savathun shot the colony ship it only said Savathun faked the death. If you had posted some other sources then fine. But you quotes the parasite mission. The mission doesn’t say what you claim. In fact both the card and the mission dialog are short You said they turned into awoken when the beam hit their ship. I posted content that said no they turned into awoken when they passed through a singularity created when light and dark powers collided. You said parasite mission said Savathun was responsible for that beam. Nowhere does it say that. Only that she projected a lie

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  • The truth is: Savathûn saved us. Mara Sov is not trust worthy. The Traveler picked Savathûn and we killed her. Good luck, Little Light.

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  • And if you left it at that then the conversation would have been over a long time ago Instead you claimed theory as fact and said a specific lore started it. It did not. I pointed it out and you got cranky. Theories are fun in fiction. But stating them as fact is how misinformation starts and propagates.

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  • Edited by SkinPoppeR: 9/4/2022 9:13:34 PM
    Explain the Woman on Mars.... Then explain the Woman wearing a shroud in Shattered Throne.... Yup. There’s nothing inside The Traveler. Certainly not a Mother figure that would spend its entire time trying to uplift folks. You have to understand Destiny is not metaphorical. The Witness is The Bad Guy. AKA the Darkness. The Darkness has a physical representation not a metaphorical one in the story. The Light will have an individual representing Light too and not a metaphorical one. That individual is inside The Traveler and Taox is the only person in lore that checks all these boxes. I mean it will be hard for Bungie to simply write in “Taox escaped inside The Traveler” Gosh I wonder why The Traveler gave Savathûn The Light? I mean if I was writer I too would leave The McGuffen of my story out in the open and definitely not hide it from my audience in a magical floating ball spaceship that could sustain life indefinitely. Thx Mom!

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  • Edited by KannibalKlown: 9/4/2022 9:20:41 PM
    At no point did I say darkness was evil and Traveler was good. And Savathun is neither good nor bad. You explicitly said Savathun created the Awoken by shooting their colony ship with an energy beam. When I asked where that was stated, since I was curious, you pointed to the parasite exotic quest. I pasted the literal quote from parasite exotic quest’s worm dialog. And the lore card. NEITHER event said what you said. Neither. I even pasted links to the lore cards that discuss the creation of the awoken. None of those cards support your claim. Savathun clearly helped save the traveler. That was never in doubt. Your theory about the Awoken was. Now you’re moving the goal posts and claiming you and I were saying something else. That’s a big nope. If you have a lore card or video clip stating that Savathun fired an energy beam at the colony ship and created the Awoken then please paste it. But you haven’t. And you have frankly thrown a tantrum over my pointing out your mistake. My god man, my teenager nephew reacts better than you when proven incorrect about something. Admit the mistake and move on

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  • Edited by SkinPoppeR: 9/4/2022 9:22:25 PM
    Savathûn saved us at The Collapse. Savathûn tricked The Witness into thinking The Traveler was disabled. That act was caused by Savathûn. That Con also creates The Awoken (again regardless if she planned it). And I’m also doubling down again for 4 years in a row now: Taox is inside The Traveler. Stay mad. Idc.

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  • Edited by KannibalKlown: 9/4/2022 9:27:48 PM
    You’re the one throwing a tantrum of text. You had a theory that you said was supported by a mission. I pasted the text that refuted your claim about Awoken. Even if we modify your claim it still doesn’t make sense she created the Awoken The awoken were created after a blast of light energy blasted a beam of darkness energy to create the singularity. The awoken were created inside the singularity as reborn beings of light and dark. If you said the traveler did that after her fake out, then the darkness didn’t notice a “dead” traveler was still shooting at it. Not much of a con. “[i]Hey let’s leave because the traveler is dead even though it’s still firing at us… nothing to see here[/i]” If you say SHE fired the beam. Then that doesn’t work because she didn’t have light energy yet. And again would ruin the con that the traveler was dead. Yes. She saved us. I never refuted that. The Awoken however were not created by her.

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  • Explain why Savathûn was obsessed with the wormhole inside the dreaming city then? That’s still open mind you.

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  • Edited by KannibalKlown: 9/4/2022 9:51:58 PM
    Wow. Someone is interested in something… so they created it? I’m interested in Australia and Katy Perry. I’m pretty sure I created neither of those things. But if you want to go there. Awoken are made up of light and dark. Considering how much Savathun was studying the light while at the tower, I imagine a word made of both would intrigue her.

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  • White colonizers created Australia. Lol

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  • Umm. The continent was there before white colonizers. And i hate to break it to you but there were humans there before it was colonized. Also kangaroos. And tons of deadly animals.

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  • Edited by SkinPoppeR: 9/4/2022 10:18:32 PM
    Comrade you are be very “Whataboutism” with your Australia comment. This is simple storytelling deduction. You ain’t gonna find any “Bungie said the final Good Guy is this” lore because that part of the story hasn’t been revealed yet. You’re the audience. Not actually living in The Destiny Universe. Bungie has already proved they are committed to fleshing out these characters and stories even as far back as The Exo Stranger if any indication. And again in like my first comment why do you think the flash of light is a different event than Savathûn faking the Traveler’s death? These are one in the same. Originally there was only 1 pyramid. Now The Witness has brought endless pyramids. Because this time there will be no escape.

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  • You literally asked if Savathun didn’t create the distributary then why is she interested in it. I pointed out that you made a completely nonsensical statement. And used my example of Australia to point out the rediculous idea that someone would only be interested in something because they created it. And even then. I have a rational reason. It was created by light and dark and she’s been researching both.. presumably to get more powerful. Seems like a world created of both would interest her.

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  • Source? That explicitly says that? If I’m wrong then I apologize. That’s not the lore card I remember reading back when.

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  • Edited by SkinPoppeR: 9/4/2022 4:01:17 AM
    The exotic Parasite quest. In it we find out Savathûn was here during the collapse in the battle between Light and Darkness. Savathûn for reasons still unknown faked the Travelers death and hid it on Earth. How the Traveler faked its death is by letting out a massive flash of Light to disable the pyramid ships. At first it looked like the Traveler won but the flash did nothing to the pyramids and this act actually disabled The Traveler. Of course the Traveler wasn’t disabled this was Savathûn faking its death. This event also created the Awoken. The fact that Savathûn had saved the Traveler was something Mara Sov said no one must know. So in the quest she tricks the hive worm and seals it forever inside the Parasite exotic grenade launcher for us Guardians to hide its secrets. So either one of two things: Savathûn’s actions merely caused the Awoken and would explain why she’s so obsessed with the wormhole in the Dreaming City. Or Savathûn planned it all out this way. In any case I trust Mara Sov a whole lot less now going forward. Apology letter for her behavior at the end of the quest or not. Off Topic I’m also more and more starting to think the Traveler has chosen all these folks and never once had its power stolen. Savathûn was lied to by the Witness, so the Traveler gave her the Light. Ghaul was devoted and begged and begged and begged, at the end the Traveler gave over its power. Okay you want it so bad?...face my Guardians of Light. The Traveler at the end of the day is a very “nurturing” entity. almost....like a mother.........It chose Savathûn just as it chose us. And would have chose Savathûn originally long long ago on her homeworld if it wasn’t for the Witness feeding lies to her through the worm.

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  • Edited by KannibalKlown: 9/4/2022 2:07:49 PM
    Oh I thought you had something newer, like maybe they Retconned something in a recent season. Sorry to say, nothing explicitly supports your claims. If you want to make it head-canon, that's fine. But using "My brother in Christ" isn't for head canon but confirmed facts. Parasite dialog discussing the Exotic mission https://youtu.be/i25kEEuB9Bo?t=1263 Transcript: [quote][b]Parasite:[/b] Truth you seek. Humanity's collapse. Even the Witness deceived. The Witch Queen did its bidding. Earned its trust. [b]Parasite:[/b] Rode alongside to apocalypse. Watched many burn. But the Witness turned a violent eye to the Traveler. [b]Parasite:[/b] Witch Queen projected lies. Clever deception wrapped in shadow. [b]Parasite:[/b] Tides turned. Witness sent away, back amonst the stars. [b]Ghost:[/b] Are you saying Savathun deceived the Witness? Is she the reason humanity survived? [b]Parasite:[/b] Not [b][u]THE[/u][/b] reason. [b][u]A[/u][/b] reason. Not for humanity, but for Traveler.[/quote] Parasite Lore from Ishtar Collective https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/parasite -------- Conversely, the Awoken were not created because Savathun's energy blast hit their ship. [b]In fact nowhere does it say that Savathun launched an energy wave.[/b] Instead, an Light energy wave and a Dark energy wave collided near their ship and caused a singularity. The ship was on its way to floating inside. Mara was the first one through because she decided to space-walk shortly prior. Since she was the first one in, she essentially became "God" in there and created the world of the Distributary. She had a lot of time to do so due to time dilation and when the rest of the ship got inside THEN they started to become Awoken per the universe she created. [quote]A singularity is forming around her. A kugelblitz: a black hole created by the concentration of raw energy.[/quote] The most important one is here: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/cosmogyre-iv But the rest: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/cosmogyre-i https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/cosmogyre-ii https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/cosmogyre-iii Byf's synopsis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTaRfAsSEp0

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  • Edited by SkinPoppeR: 9/4/2022 5:29:56 PM
    I explained it, kid. Savathûn faked The Traveler’s death with the blast and hid it on earth. That’s why the light blast did nothing to the pyramids. The Traveler is just a ship. Someone is inside it. Mostly likely Taox. She is The Mother figure in Destiny. Always has been since the first concepts. You can speculate on that stuff if ya want. But Savathûn in the reason why we are all alive and The Awoken even exist. Otherwise the Darkness would have won during the Collapse. Such a classic Con from Savathûn too: “Oh no ya got me!” *plays dead The Witness: “Aight! Pack it up folks! We won.” *Goes home 🤣

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    I’m currently still working on that quest of incubating the worm. It’s been interesting to hear it unfold and how Mara was planning to kill everyone who turned evil.

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  • The Deception Queen and her contingency plans.... Yeah, she is just a creation of Savathûn’s actions. There’s also lore from Destiny Witch Queen collectors edition. It’s pretty wild it talks about the poor frail dreams that are The Awoken. Buuuut The Destiny Community misunderstood and thought it was about Destiny breaking the 4th wall. If you are interested look up “Jalaa and Rey” dream conversations.

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