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Edited by MonkMorkins: 9/1/2022 9:59:03 PM
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SBMM will take time to normalize players into their correct skill ranking. It isn't going to happen today or tomorrow or probably even in the next week. You got to spend probably multiple years of time overperforming due to being matched with players that were below your skill level. Now, the game considers you to be higher skill, so it is putting you with players that it considers a similar skill. But, the comparative skill level is hard to gauge after a certain point until there are samples against other players of similar skill. As an example, if you (above average) were to fight against random player in a random match, and the game expects you to win that fight 95% of the time, then the game is going to consider you a top player. The game probably has a relatively large sample size of data to create that assumption. However, the game has a much harder time comparing you against other top players because any given match may only have had only 1 player even close to your skill level before SBMM was implemented. All you had to do was be top 8% of players and the average match would generally not have contained any players better than you under the old regime. However, the difference in skill between the top 8% and the top 1% is probably still huge. However, the game doesn't necessarily have data to know that because the top 8% player was crushing everyone in their lobby the same way that the top 1% player was. Now that the game is creating matches full of top 8% players, it will create a hierarchy amongst those players and will eventually be able to make matches that are more balanced among that group. The problem is going to exist at the opposite ends of the bell curve. The worst players and the best players are going to have the least effective SBMM in the short term until the data is better established to indicate where those players are within those extremes. That will get better with time.
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  • Edited by Meaga: 9/2/2022 4:57:56 AM
    I was top 500 in comp and don’t play 6s. You didn’t read my post. Read it again. This is not only about SBMM, this about catering to entitled casual brats that I am honestly sick of being allowed to speak. I realize that I’m being toxic about it but I am so sick of this new give me give me attitude that the destiny community has. I miss old gaming.

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  • Edited by MonkMorkins: 9/2/2022 2:06:15 PM
    Dude, what I said is DOUBLY applicable to Rumble. In a match where you are only going up against 5 other people, if you are the top 10%, then you are going to be better than the majority of the people in the match almost every time. Statistically, you would likely only find a single other player at your skill level every other match, and that still leaves the other 4 players in the match for you and that other person to farm. Compound this with the player pool for Rumble being smaller, and the game's understanding of your relative skill level is going to be rough until it has more data. It knows you are better than most players, but doesn't know where you stand amongst the players that are better than most players. It will improve with time as it gets more data. I am not replying to any of the other points because my only point was that SBMM was NEVER going to be perfect right away. It is moving from a system that created data samples that were not based on skill, and using that data to try to create a system that does evaluate player skill. There are going to be gaps and problems with that dataset, and it is going to have a certain cohort of players evaluated in the wrong skill bracket as a result. It will correct that over time. Also, I will simply tell you that you should maybe learn how to exhibit empathy. The frustration that you are experiencing right now is what the majority of the community has experienced for the past however many years. And players that are average to below average in skill level (possibly for reasons that are entirely out of their control like physical disabilities or mental disabilities) have had to deal with playing matches against players that are so wildly outside of their skill level as to make it nearly impossible to compete against them. You think that those people enjoyed playing Crucible? Is it bad that the game is finally doing something to try to create an environment where it doesn't feel hopeless for those people to even try to play Crucible?

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  • Add a matchmaking barrier so that .5s aren’t matching 2.5s. Make three brackets, the bottom, everyone else, and the top. Protect the bottom for the top, that is all. Make it so that bottom tier players aren’t matching pros, but are still matching average and above average players. Some people want to roll through 6v6 shadow thrall all day, that is not me, I rarely ever touch 6v6. I 1-3 stack when I do most of the time. “Learn how to exhibit empathy” -Learn how to read

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  • Edited by MonkMorkins: 9/2/2022 2:06:58 PM
    I made an edit, but I'll move it down here for continuity. "And yes, I did see your "proposal" to create three skill brackets and block the top bracket from the bottom bracket, and I will simply tell you that it isn't that simple. How do you define the cutoff point? Is the cutoff at 67%? If I am in the top 65% of players, that means that I am in the bottom 35%. Am I no longer protected from playing against the top players? What is my experience going to be when playing against a top 1% player? In a match that contains a completely random assortment of players, I am already nearly bottom fragging most of the time. Furthermore, this scenario where a top 1% player has been dropped into my game has now created a new rule that says that the bottom 33% of players can't get grouped in because the game is trying to protect those players from the top 1% player. So, now I am in an adjusted player pool where I am effectively a Bottom 2% matched against a top 1%. So, I am now practically guaranteed to be worse than everyone else in the match... Your idea is stupid and doesn't work in practice. It just transposes the same exact problem further up the bell curve."

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  • Dude im shocked you're even replying to this clown. Like holy -blam!-, how can he be this blind?! If hes that damn good in rumble and comp, he shouldnt even be complaining about playing others around his "skill lv". ESPECIALLY if hes that good in RUMBLE, wheres hes literally by himself against 5 others. Not even 3 weeks and all the sweats are upset they cant farm and stomp lower skill players, upset because they actually have to try against others somewhat around their lv instead...they just want everyone else beneath them to have to sweat.

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