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9/1/2022 11:56:34 AM
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Guided Games’ failure is just a sign that MM for raids shouldn’t be a thing.
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  • Also I'd like to point out the master kwtd in a seasonal or nightfall... Yeah cause it's so time consuming and hard to do a master nightfall.... I mean really though? Also they barely even speak to you or use a mic on LFG, most of the players are indeed the definition of toxic I've had guys join say hi and just leave. Lol 🤣😆 didn't do anything to offend them just typical of LFG players. They find any excuse to bail or whatever. Just like all the quitters in pvp. Same thing. It's a game people come on have some dignity. It's not a big deal if I'm not the best nightfall strike runner this side of the Mississippi....

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  • Edited by Skill Issue: 9/2/2022 7:48:58 PM
    You died [b]6 times[/b] in a [b]Hero Lightblade[/b] NF. Pretty sure you’d struggle to get through a Master NF and your other two team mates would have to backpack you like they did through that Hero NF.

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  • Here we go with looking up my stats. Let me explain something to you that was late at night I was super tired and not trying so much. Also it was arc burn and my arc titan had no resilience. Plus the stupid Luna moths coming out of nowhere and one shotting me. Also I run low mobility and I was tired so I may have missed a ledge in there. I did great damage to the boss. I don't need your approval and stats don't mean anything the last master nightfall I only died like once. Also I'm following around players that probably use Chronus or something cause they have super fast perfect headshot aim and it's ridiculous. Let me play in a real team that's playing with me and it's a different story. I can do very well tearing down players is all your good at. Hince your toxic name. Just like my first time in duality I did horrible but I got better. You are just another toxic destiny player. So please don't talk to me anymore.

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  • All of that sounds like excuses to me.

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  • [quote]So please don't talk to me anymore.[/quote] Then don’t complain when people make it clear you’re not entitled to their time and have zero obligation to teach/carry you.

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  • Guided games failure is a sign that most the players left in this game are like yourself. I mean your name and profile pic speaks for itself 😂😆

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  • You mean people with lives outside of this game who don’t have the luxury of being able to spend 4-5 hours on an activity that should normally take less than an hour to complete?

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  • Everyone has a life dude. At work right now bud.

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  • Edited by Skill Issue: 9/2/2022 7:44:47 PM
    And not everyone has the luxury to spend 4-5 hours on an activity that should take less than an hour to complete. Some of us actually have important stuff to do at home when we get off work. You are not entitled to an experienced players’ time.

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  • Good I don't ever want to be like you or play with anyone like you in fact the truth is I wouldn't pee down your throat if your lungs were on fire.

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  • Edited by Skill Issue: 9/2/2022 8:05:30 PM
    I wouldn’t let you in my fireteam in the first place. I have this thing called “standards.” Also, it’s people like me who you expect to teach/carry you through these activities.

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  • I agree. The amount of people who you get on guided games who don’t want to speak is crazy. At that point the raid is already a failure. A lot of solo players have severe anxiety for socialization. While I get that coming from a perspective of someone who destiny helped me force my way out of that, not everyone will take that step. Which means they need to stay out of raids in general. Matchmade raids would allow them in and waste a lot of peoples time and the playlist would end up dead and a waste of resources and time

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  • And that's exactly why a lot of people will continue to use third-party LFG resources for activities, so they can have more control over the fireteam and their fireteam members for a quick clear. And you're right, a lot of players advocating for in-game LFG tend to be socially inept and/or inexperienced with non-MM activities. It will be interesting to see how the LFG system ends up.

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  • Tbh I think it will be used for the first week then die. Unless there’s a way to restrict people who are found based off their experience. But I think lfg will be the same as it is now for raids. Third party sites. I hope I’m wrong and I hope bungie makes it so it kinda suits everyone but I don’t know how that would be possible

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  • I'll probably test it out myself when it's available, but I do hope we can filter by experience. If that's an option, then the in-game LFG could be a viable alternative for other LFG spots such as the D2 LFG Discord server. If that isn't an option, I think the LFG feature will mostly appeal to those with minimal or no experience. The people refusing to use LFG now for whatever reason. If you're lucky, you might get a couple of Sherpas, but the people on a time-crunch trying to get in a quick run will continue to use outside LFG for their fireteams.

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  • Edited by NeoReaper82: 9/2/2022 5:01:44 AM
    Talk about speaking with ignorance. In order to be a guide, you need 3 players minimum & they all need to be in the same clan. This is the sole reason guided games aren't used as there are plenty of seekers but next to no guides. If Bungie would add a 5% increase to raid exotic drop rate. Guides would then skyrocket. PS. You know LFG is a form of matchmaking right(being added in-game come lightfall) & I've yet to hear 1 good reason why MM shouldn't be a thing.

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  • Because with lfg I have the power to remove anyone not willing to communicate or contribute while in mm and guided games I am forced to endure it or -blam!- up an oathkeeper score. Not that it matters much but when once of our people got disconnected they could not rejoin and received a penalty for quitting. With lfg we don't have that bs. Simple as that. Lfg could be seen as mm but just like going over files, we have the power to remove a lot of fears that come with random mm - people unwilling to contribute - no mics - non viable weapons (You could argue its gatekeeping but when you go into warpriest with double primaries and an eager edge sword I highly doubt we would get it done) And yes people wouldn't have abandoned guided games if these glaring issues weren't a thing, yet they are Tadah

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  • 5% increased in exotic drop chance is a measly reward, it would be easier to farm for with 5 clan mates. Honestly I like the idea of decent cosmetics, and maybe an XP boost or something. Something that always has value rather than an exotic I probably already have.

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  • And if you actually read the rest of this conversation instead of getting instantly triggered, you'd realize I said, "I just said Guided Games is a failure because so few people actually use the feature", which includes both Guides and Seekers. Depending on how Bungie sets up the in-game LFG, third-party LFG sites might still be more appealing since you can check your teammates' experience prior to starting the activity, and remove inexperienced players and replace them with more experienced players if you're looking for a quick clear. There are plenty of reasons why MM shouldn't be a thing. Just because you don't agree with them, that doesn't mean they're not "good" reasons.

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  • They could allow you to use the same parameters as the current most popular LFGs but in game. It’s no good matching me with someone who speaks Spanish, as I’m in UK and don’t know the language. It can work, can bungie make it work? Probably not tbh

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  • Speak for yourself. I've had successful runs in guided games. It's toxic players who aren't willing to help others that make it not work. I'm not saying it's for everyone but if you don't wanna guide them stay out. People shouldn't be bullying others cause they haven't got to play and learn a raid. That's pathetic!

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  • Edited by Skill Issue: 9/1/2022 5:40:42 PM
    The difference between a run with experienced players and a Sherpa run can be hours. Some people just don’t have the time or the patience to stay in an activity for hours when they could finish the activity in a fraction of the time with experienced players. Valuing your own time is not “toxic.” Feeling entitled to other players’ time is toxic. There are plenty of Sherpas out there willing to teach newbies. Try the #find-a-sherpa channel in this Discord server. https://discord.gg/D2LFG

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  • I'm just glad Bungie proved you wrong because they are adding MM(in game LFG) come lightfall

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  • Edited by DEATH-DEALER-213: 9/2/2022 8:26:21 AM
    [quote]I'm just glad Bungie proved you wrong because they are adding MM(in game LFG) come lightfall[/quote] Except matchmaking and an in game LFG are two completely different things lol. Matchmaking is queuing up for something like Dares of Eternity, LFG is joining or creating a pre-made team. Again, two completely different things. Bungie adding LFG in game won’t change much of anything. Depending on how the whole commendation system works at most it’ll give people more of an incentive to act as sherpas, past that the same people who choose not to use LFG will still choose not to use it and the people who do use it will continue to use it. The only difference is not needing to use the app or a third party app to do so. It’s simply a quality of life addition, nothing more nothing less, and anyone who thinks it’s going to change the landscape of how some activities are approached with grouping up are most definitely sadly mistaken.

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  • Which is why I said if you don't wanna do it then you don't enter as a guide. What part of that statement is having a hard time registering with your mind?

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