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originally posted in: Ruffians in Expeditions
8/28/2022 6:43:46 PM
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A lot of cheating / exploitation going on with this event where in players somehow spam the treasure ball…making it impossible to kill a Ruffian. Disruptive as can be.
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  • Caught someone doing it earlier, I snatched up the engram and threw it in lol. I didn’t realize what they were doing. Probably why they kept shooting at me !!

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  • Lol

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  • You could always make a fireteam of people that are there for triumphs and what have you. Much faster path to your goal than waiting for some kind of fix from the devs.

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  • Good idea. That’s my plan. 🙂🎮🎧

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  • Interesting to see some defending an exploit that is disrupting the event in a significant game changing & reportable way. One player can completely steal the game, player progression and enjoyment from the other two players for the sake of their individual gain or disruptive intentions. Bungie, please fix this so event progression (jammers, ruffians) can’t be skipped. I’ve got plenty of clips showing how players basically get benched because of this disruptive exploit ruining the event. Thank you

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  • Edited by DHawk12: 8/28/2022 8:55:46 PM
    Ball duping isn’t new, almost everybody that solo flawlessed poh (pre nerf) abused this at boss and totems. It’s an exploit but it’s not cheating.

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  • Not cheating mate, ball duping has been a thing for years now.

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  • not cheating, but still an exploit that ruins it for other people.

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  • Define ruins. Unless you are specifically needing ruffians then mayb but for general play it's not a issue.

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  • You need to individually deposit engrams for seasonal triumph which is impossible to do with one just player ball duping. Same with ruffians they are needed for the seasonal seal, but you rarely get to react to them spawning due to them de spawning because the treasure step is being completed so quick the voice line telling you they are spawning is not even done.

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  • You could easily ball dupe yourself and get the triumph for depositing treasure. Or you could load in on master and just do it yourself or with a friend. Sure it speeds up a boring activity, but honestly anyone complaint about it probably isn’t fast enough to do it.

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  • It is not the triumph for collecting treasure that's the problem. It is the ruffians that de spawn before they are even done spawning, and is there even a master version of expedition?

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  • [quote]You need to individually deposit engrams for seasonal triumph which is impossible to do with one just player ball duping. Same with ruffians they are needed for the seasonal seal, but you rarely get to react to them spawning due to them de spawning because the treasure step is being completed so quick the voice line telling you they are spawning is not even done.[/quote] I have been ball duping for quick runs for farming and around 70% of the time a ruffian spawns in on various stages of the activity. Plus, I hate to be that guy but it's matchmaking, you can't exactly force people to do what you'd prefer, it's not cheating in any way shape or form and most importantly... If necessary there's lfg to make sure you don't get a random duping. Again I hate to be that guy but... Welcome to destiny. If it can be cheesed, it shall be done.

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  • I didn't say it's cheating and I have not in anyway say we should punish or force the players. Just my suggestion so we could all be happy. I know the majority just want to be quickly done with every activity, but for us who would like to just have chance to kill the ruffian to get progress for the title. It just seem unfair that the guys who do exploits needs is greater than the rest of us who just want a chance to kill one more enemy for season seal progress. But that seems unreasonable to you?

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  • Never said it wasn't unreasonable. Just stated that the original post thought it was a cheat or exploit which can be punished. I cleared the air and said its always been a thing with carried balls, that they can be duped. You said it's unfair... I stated a solution to use lfg is ultimately necessary. You have the whole season to do this mate. Its not this massive issue, it happens EVERY seasonal activity with a throwable ball.

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  • You shouldn't have to make a LFG post to farm ruffians..... It should be a natural part of the activity. Best solution would be for ruffians to stay efter a treasure step, But after doing 30 expeditions and sitting on 3 ruffian kills. It just seems very badly implemented. My original post said nothing bad about ball duping but it is not exactly helping and should have been patched a long time ago...

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  • I mean original reply not post my bad. You are absolutely correct that you shouldn't have to lfg. Yet this is the situation all the time with activities and throwable items. They will be cheesed.

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  • Sadly yes they will. My orginal post was not about the shaming of those ball duping or those getting the activity done ASAP. Just a suggestion and some notice on what I see as an issue with a somewhat easy fix.

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  • I do agree that ruffians should have a dedicated spawn at some point regardless of ball duping. Like at the end where you defend the cart. Maybe one spawns in on the top of the hill.

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  • This is true...saw a lvl 41 do this yesterday.

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  • It’s making the event unplayable.

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  • Unplayable? Clearing it faster is the opposite of unplayable. If you're trying to farm Ruffian kills, launch the harder version solo or something.

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  • Yes, and I am getting really tired of this type of thing happening with every season.

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  • Not even a week old too , could see towards end of a season you have run it so many times but within first days of launch doing too much

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