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8/20/2022 2:21:21 PM
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That all the non arc warlocks are saying that arc warlock is already the perfect subclass and it's hard to improve on, yet none of you hunter sycophants ever demanded anything other than Well in any relevant content ever. When was the last time [i][u][b]any[/b][/u][/i] of you used or had on your team a stormtrance in a GM or any master level content? The last time stormtrance had any purpose was guiding potatoes through [b]Queenswalk[/b] 3yrs ago. Chaos Reach is barely even remotely relevant in end game content with geomags and still does less than missile titan and orpheus or star eater hunter lmao Before you even think of bringing up pvp, stormtrance has always been easy to shut down or out run and I can assure you because it technically floats off the ground and not run, it won't benefit from the speed boots amplify grants. Ionic blink is supposed to cover for that and we all know how clunky that is already. You have to stop your damage, blink a [u][i]very[/i][/u] short distance, then there's a delay before you can start damage again. By that point you're already dead or your target is gone. All I see is "aRc WaRlOcK iS aLrEaDy PeRfEcT" yet [u]nobody has played it in over a year in anything relevant.[/u] I don't care that hunters got a new super. I care that my class didn't receive a proper rework like titan and hunter. [b][i][u]EVERYONE[/u][/i][/b] has access to fragments and the new "verbs", that isn't revamping warlock arc 3.0. It's taking most of what we already had and giving it to the other 2 while we get nothing new, innovative, and [u]exclusive[/u] to warlocks outside of a suicide melee slide that will be just as finicky and gimmicky as the wildly inconsistent and weak void melee and solar snap.
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  • nobody is saying current arc warlock is fine since none of the arc class been fine for a long time ....titan as cuirass but that's it Also with they are getting a rework ,new melee and extra buff when amplified Hunter literally just got a new super Titan got a dodge as a class ability that will be slow charged and a charged melee you need to sit still...the grenade are nice but not enough to focus on it Sorry but warlock with arc 3.0 has the most impact full change ....and I am a warlock main

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  • Edited by Dante: 8/21/2022 8:47:22 PM
    When barely positive kd dude talks about pvp Wahlocks be Wahlocks

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    • I think the general consensus is that the arc warlock out of the 3 was the best and at base actually a good subclass. It was still lacking compared to every other subclass though. It still needed changes or buffing but functionality wise it was/is comprehensive. The other 2 are actually useless for higher difficulty content. With the only exception being a Titan if they equip TC. Warlock was still useless but much less so.

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    • Rock: paper is op! Paper: scissors are op! Scissors: rock is op!

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      • It’s so perfect that the most powerful and hated arc PvP build is named for the exotic doing all the heavy lifting. Staglock. 😜

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      • Edited by Lord Ignatius: 8/21/2022 10:31:12 PM
        I'm a warlock and I said it's perfect but my crylock counterparts will downvote and throw a hissy fit like a 5 yr old because I didn't agree with them.

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        • Why is every warlock crying every new 3.0? You cried you got nothing with void...turns out you have the best void. You cry you got nothing with solar.... Turns out you have the best solar. Wait till you have access to it and test stuff...and if its bad ...then you can complain.

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            Ikor's Hair
            Ikor's Hair

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            guys we found the stage 4 warlock. "wah my class is -blam!- yet the other classes get buffed wah" bro you realize just how good for boss DPS chaos reach is? you can make it last a whole DPS phase for bosses and even kill Gambit bosses in 1 super. Against Atheon in a master VoG one Chaos reach can make an easy 700K damage on top of whatever DPS weapon you're using. thats literally 7 seconds of a DPS phase for 3 quaters of your DPS you'd normally get wasting 90% of your heavy (which might not seem great but hey it's free damage and you save ammo for next phase assuming you dont get the one phase). As far as stormtrance goes you would be surprised how useful it can be in GM's. back before the 3.0 solar and void reworks arc was great for ad clearing and defending capture zones (specifically in Kargen's boss arena). in PvP yeah, it can be out ran but the last thing you want to do is rush it down with a shotgun which form personal experience is what EVERYONE wants to do cause "haha felwinters with vorpal make brain go brrrrrrrrt". I'm really curious where you're coming from with the [quote]aRc WaRlOcK iS aLrEaDy PeRfEcT[/quote] because absolutely no one says this. Arc warlock isn't perfect but its not imperfect either. it's fine where its at and arc 3.0 is going to change it possibly for the better.

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          • Another whinelock post blaming Hunters for their poor life choices.

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          • The only time Arc Hunters were ever relevant is for Spire of Stars. And in the same way you say "when was the last time anyone asked a warlock for anything other than well in a GM" the same could be said for invis on Hunter. Stop acting as if warlocks are the only people that get shafted. Especially when they just aren't.

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            • And you can back this up with links , right? Not holding my breath. This is pure hyperbolic nonsense.

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            • Stopped reading after the “Hunter sycophants”… really? We all ask for well? Usually the warlocks ask the other warlocks “who wants to be well”. Know why that is? Hunters use to not be invited into PvE content to begin with.

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            • There's a reason the devs interact more on Reddit. Go ahead. Take a stroll over there and see if the reaction is this visceral. Face it. You're all children. I for one will be enjoying stronger Arc Souls with a subclass revamp for PvP. If it's bad there is still Solar Warlock for PvP and Stasis for PvE. Both are incredibly strong subclasses of which neither Titan or Hunter come close in their respective solar and stasis setups.

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              • Comparatively Arc Warlock was superior to the other classes, the other classes didn’t have stuff like ionic traces and arc souls nor did they have arc webs. The other classes were brought into line with Arc Warlock, did you really think Bungie would add even more to Arc Warlocks who already had the best Arc subclass for abilities. Hunters literally had 1 super with 3 small changes to each, had 1 special melee that requires a slide. Titans had 2 supers, one not used in PvE and one used in PvE, they had 2 special melee abilities shoulder charge and that slam one (special melee abilities being something that isn’t a basic melee that applies a quick buff like blinding) These other classes had nothing on Warlocks

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                  Praedyth
                  Praedyth

                  😘 - old

                  I actually ran bottom tree storm during the entire week of inverted spire GM. Did well.

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                • I mean no one's gonna use arc hunter in GMs either I doubt a stationary staff with tic damage is gonna be used over moebius quiver or blade barrage or damage. Not to mention arc Titan and Hunter are pretty much close quarters sub classes.

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                  • Multiple things that can be true at once. - initial information looks not great for warlocks. - that’s an ok thing to say. Because titans and hunters aren’t having issues with their initial information. (Cuz -blam!- looks NICE). - we haven’t played it yet. BUT it’s silly to act like it didn’t need any updates or new toys - Arc warlock isn’t used in any content currently. - It’s used so little that I’ve heard veterans (1000+ hours )say things like “woah what was that? That little arc buddy? It’s like void buddy but arc? Is that new? I thought arc hadn’t came out yet” Or “Woah ‘ball lightning’ I’ve never been killed by that”

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                    • Edited by Demon_XXVII: 8/20/2022 3:17:44 PM
                      F*%^#%n hell… [b]It hasn’t even been released yet![/b] Why not just wait until all the aspects/fragments are in situ & you’ve had chance to sync/utilise/optimise armour & abilities It’s a bloomin’ game No need for all the hate/spite/vendetta against other classes etc

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                      • Let me ask you the same question? Have you seen arc hunters in GM‘s? Have you seen arc hunters in a raid? Have you seen solar titans before 3.0 launched? Have you seen many stasis hunters doing GM’s before renewal grasps was a thing? Arc warlocks aren‘t better i know, but there were other subclasses way more on the ground. Look what i found when i just google: best pve class. Shouldn‘t surprise anyone here, which class is the best. And which is the worst. Let me say you something. There‘s even a subclass that has the lowest usage. That‘s not stormcaller (surprised pikachu face). https://twinfinite.net/2022/01/destiny-2-best-pve-classes/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsJ_Q9FrIY https://www.fanbyte.com/guides/destiny-2-class-tier-list-best-class-for-pve-pvp-content/ (That‘s from 2020, i know, but since here warlock were the best pve wise) https://guardian.gg/2/class-stats?platform=console&mode=4&start=2022-01-01&end=2022-01-05 The last site shows which subclass was used most in Raid or mostly in pvp. Stasis isn’t here sadly, but as you can see, stormcaller wasn’t the worst subclass. I set the date to January 2022 till May 2022. You can set another date, but i wanted to see this year subclass usage. I think the usage haven‘t change over the last years. https://guardian.gg/2/class-stats?platform=console&mode=5&start=2022-01-01&end=2022-01-05 This here is pvp wise and stormcaller is one of the most used sublasses. Last year only geomags got nerfed arc subclass wise. That had a reason, because that thing was OP in pvp i think. Maybe you can show me some sites or statistics that mention stormcaller is worse.

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                        • i dont use it in a gm because the other elements are better

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                        • Edited by Doctor_Roidberg: 8/22/2022 2:12:40 AM
                          Everybody keeps acting like Solar 3.0 was somehow a win for Warlocks… it’s not. Solar Warlock is a bloody mess, but it’s problems are being hidden by incredible Exotics holding it together. Phoenix Dive is flat out horrible. Just awful. It’s Shatterdive on a ~40 second cooldown + Wormhusk activation. It should have never been moved to Class Ability. It makes no sense to have Icarus Dash and Heat Rises tied to separate Aspects. They’ve worked hand in hand for the idea of aerial combat (which is already a total scam because there’s basically no benefit to airborne combat since airborne accuracy is a clown fiesta of a mechanic), yet Bungie decides to split them for no apparent reason. Dawnblade now has the lines of fire shoot out from projectile impact as a base upgrade to Dawnblade, but the Super extension on kill is completely gone. The speed boost you used to get in DB is now kneecapped EXCLUSIVELY ON BURST GLIDE, the objectively BEST glide, and if you want to get around fast you have to use Icarus Dash, which means using an Aspect slot and using a bunch of Super energy since Icarus Dashing in Super eats Super energy. Not to mention Dawnblade hit registration still sucks, Dawn Chorus is a total shell of it’s former self with it’s Super damage nerfed into oblivion, and the fact that Bungie took two of the Warlock’s best tools and gave them to the other two, heal grenades and ability regen for buffing allies. Bungie took what made middle tree Solarlock good and gave it to Hunter and Titan. Then they took top tree Solarlock and chopped it up into little pieces and made it into the new Solarlock 3.0. And they took bottom tree Solarlock, and threw that sh*t in the garbage. There are gaping flaws in Solar 3.0 Warlock, that have been bandaged over by exotic armor. I see the same storm brewing with Arc 3.0. Edit: I’m a Hunter main with more time played on Hunter than Warlock and Titan combined and even I can see the problem with Warlock kits. Check my WastedOnDestiny if you don’t believe me.

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                            GoonsTundra
                            GoonsTundra

                            DOOM music kicks in - old

                            Yeah warlocks got hit hard

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                            • I think the shitty part is that warlocks didn't get anything other than buffs when it came to the stormtrance super, thats what bothering me. It would have been nice if they got something new to elevate the experience. a shiny new bobble to shake up playing 3.0 warlock, like chaos reach did back in forsaken. I love my arc buddies but getting pikachus final smash from SSB aint my idea of a cool new ability, regardless ill deal with it and see what happens. Stormdancers brace, getaway artists and crown of tempest might just be broken as -blam!- who knows. Its a shame to be someone who enjoys stormtrance and yet it rarely has a place to shine other than pvp, and even then its harder to use as it still in its pre 3.0 form. What I want, is to be able to run stormtrance in high level content and not get the stink eye for not running chaos reach, slowva or well. Hopefully warlocks get a new exotic that packs a real 3.0 punch. Hell give stormdancers brace a better ornament and i might not vomit when i even look to put it on. Its been a long time since i got to say Im a stormtrance main, I just want to enjoy using the super again. But all i can really do is wait. So i'm done with my gripes for now as its going to e better than it has been.

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                            • Couldnt agree more

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                            • Ionic Blink isnt even clunky. It's probably better than regular blink I'd say.

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                            • Careful with facts on here. As most the kiddies can't handle them.

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