Playlist weapons are just a better version of strike loot.
Factions were pointless and their loot was almost exclusively forgettable.
Between the growing world pool and the refreshes that tend to come with big DLCs, there’s not exactly a massive difference there. On top of the seasonal loot we get.
The only reason people ever thought “wow where does that come from” is because not as many people back then looked everything up. There was way less loot in D1 and literally none of it was niche or had any kind of “wow” factor.
But wouldn’t it be good if strike loot was themed around the actual strike like it was back then? You can’t tell me that wasn’t an amazing idea.
Especially the armor too that is completely non existent in D2. Those were some of the best cosmetics ever in the whole franchise. That was the Wow factor for me.
Getting a palendrome from a nightfall does not beat that feeling of getting a badass looking weapon or armor piece that is related to the strike I just completed. Those nightfall weapons could co exist with strike specific loot.
The strike armor was ugly as hell.
And no, it doesn’t [i]really[/i] matter whether it’s vaguely themed or not.
Grinding out the same strikes ad nauseam was mind melting.
That’s your opinion though and it seems pretty bias. A lot of people would probably disagree with that. You seem to be strongly against the idea for no valid reason.
You’re saying having no gear tied to the strike is better because you thought those specific pieces were ugly? That doesn’t seem like a valid argument. New gear could be made that you potentially would like.
And if you don’t like grinding out strikes idk why you play D2 we do that all the time it’s in the core gameplay loop. You need to grind out nightfalls for a Palendrome and people grind the hell out of the vanguard playlist for bounties. Why not throw another incentive for people who like collecting things? And if that’s still something you’re not interested in grinding for why wouldn’t you think a lot of people would be? I’m really interested to hear your answer to that. It’s strange to me why anyone would be against this.
I only think you’re biased because you’re not giving any good reasons for why you feel the way you do. I’m willing to see you explain why you’re so against it but just saying “those sets were ugly” doesn’t make any sense.
That’s such a subjective thing to say. If you’re not someone who likes collecting cosmetics and weapons like that, I can understand why you wouldn’t care one way or the other but I don’t get why you’re opposed to them adding something similar back into the game. I think a lot of people would react positively to it.
No, not at all. I never once implied my opinion was any more valid than yours. I just said it seems like you’re bias towards this idea because you don’t like old pieces of gear from D1 not the concept of strike specific loot.
And even if you didn’t like the idea why would you be against it? How would it impact the way you play? If you don’t like collecting things that’s fine but why wouldn’t you want that kind of replay value for other people who are into that?
I don’t see how it’s worse. It’s not the same concept. We literally don’t have armor tied to strikes. That’s not something that’s in the game. If they were to introduce gear that is tied to strikes I don’t see how that worsens the nightfall weapons that already exist and they most likely will continue the way it is now. It could be two completely separate things. Nightfall loot seems a lot different than gear that’s connected to a specific strike.
Like I get it that you don’t care about that stuff but you seem to be a little dense to the fact that many people would enjoy collecting that kind of gear and if that were to return in some way it would most likely make them more engaged. Maybe not everyone, maybe not you, but I don’t see why that eliminates or does anything to the current nightfall drops. Those obviously aren’t going anywhere. The addition of more loot doesn’t change that.
If you could provide a reason why it would have a negative impact on the current nightfall loot then I would be more open to your view on this but you’re not doing that.
Lmao when did I say you were stupid? Nothing I said implies that? You don’t seem to be very open to conversation so I’ll stop replying if that’s what you’d rather me do. I was just interested to see if you had any real reasons for why you feel this way. If you had a reason for why adding strike specific loot would negatively impact the nightfall weapons then I would understand why you feel this way but it doesn’t seem like you are willing to give an actual answer. I disagree with your statement that people are just asking for what we have already. It’s not at all the same thing as the nightfall drops. But I’m willing to let you change my mind.
If anything I’m the stupid one for not being able to wrap my head around your very nuanced stance on this topic right?
Yeah I think you’re dense for not being able to acknowledge that a significant amount of people would like the idea of strike loot returning and that it could be a positive thing for D2. I don’t think dense is the same thing as dumb.
Edit: looking at the dictionary alot of the definitions do seem kind of close to dumb so I apologize for that I should have used a different word like ignorant or something my bad man. The way I was using it, I thought it meant you are unwilling to accept an idea. But the definition is that you’re slow to grasp a concept so that’s not really the way I meant it. It doesn’t seem like you’re slow more like you just refuse to acknowledge the possibility that it probably wouldn’t be as bad as you’re making it out to be.
I didn’t think you were nitpicking until you complained about my use of a word. It was still obvious what I meant and that I didn’t need to explain to you what I was trying to say. I guarantee you know I wasn’t calling you stupid. You’re just deflecting to anything you can think of. Pretty hypocritical. I’m directly responding to everything you’ve said. You aren’t doing that
I’m trying to have a chill conversation but you’re just pulling out these snarky replies because I’m assuming you’re one of those people who likes to share their negativity with everyone else. I could be wrong there but that’s the vibe I’m getting. Telling me to “seethe more” seems more like a reflection of your own emotions because I am straight face wiping you out in this debate while the nonsense you’re commenting shows how angry you are towards an idea you oppose.
Hope that doesn’t make you more upset even though you’ve been irrationally angry since this conversation started. Like I said I’m not trying to be in a discussion where we’re throwing shots at each other but you’re the one making it that way. I will respond to your unwarranted saltiness x100 if that’s the way you talk to people.
I called you dense, I gave you a reason for why I said that (not because I think you’re stupid or that I’m smarter than you) and you have nothing valid to say.
Again sorry for misusing the word dense but I still think it’s pretty obvious the way I was using it and I believe you chose to pick that out rather than giving valid reasons for any of your other points on the main topic we were originally talking about.
I don’t think you have any valid points. But I told you I am willing to listen to your point of view. If you could provide something for your argument then I really would consider agreeing with you. Maybe strike specific loot is the worst idea ever, but you haven’t brought up anything to support that.
That’s why I said you’re bias. You have a hollow argument based on what you’ve said so far. Your statements of “that gear was ugly” and “everyone’s asking for things we have already” are not valid and you’ve brought up nothing else of substance to support your original claims.
My argument was that strike specific loot would be a good thing for D2 because it would be another incentive to grind strikes and that there are most likely a lot of people who would enjoy doing that and there is a strong chance alot of those people would disagree with you that those old cosmetics were ugly and they’re probably willing to accept Bungie would obviously design good looking gear tied to strikes in D2. Items tied to bosses are undeniably cool and are completely different than nightfall weapons.
Your claim that the nightfall weapons are the same thing as strike specific loot is false. Nightfall weapons have no correlation to any specific strike or boss. It’s not the same. Both nightfall weapons and strike loot could exist at the same time… Do you think that would break the game?😂
We’ve spent most of this conversation talking about anything but those simple points I have made. I’m sure you could have come up with something that argues against them.
I will reiterate this again. If you feel like anything I’ve said implies you are stupid then I truly apologize but I think we both know that’s not what I’m saying at all. Sorry for the long reply I just think it’s necessary to make it clear what I’m really saying. You can’t possibly try to say I’m calling anyone stupid or implying anyone’s opinion is more important than the other.
I’m saying I disagree with you and I don’t think you’ve provided any real reasons for your claims. And that I’m still willing to listen to you even though I think you’ve given some vague/salt filled responses so far.
If your next reply isn’t a valid point to support your original argument then you’ve lost the debate. I’m sure you could do better than what you’ve said so far. I’m assuming it’s gonna be another quick reply but I’d be cool with decimating you with this essay and you having nothing valid to respond with but I’m sure you’ll think of something cringe to say instead.
You should at least acknowledge you’ve made some ridiculous points so far. You said you thought grinding strikes for loot was “mind melting” in D1. While we literally do the exact same thing currently in D2 like that is absolute nonsense😂. If anything, grinding strikes in D2 is more “mind melting” than its ever been. But for some reason you think more loot to grind for is somehow a bad thing and that it would somehow impact the current nightfall weapon rotation because….. oh wait you didn’t give any reasons for any of that. What a rock solid argument you’ve got there.
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